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    Recently I attended FIDE Qualification Commission (QC) meeting. The goal of the meeting was to inform FIDE members about some changes for FIDE title regulations which will likely be implemented Jan 1, 2022.

    There are many minor, mostly technical changes; the main goal of them is to give the QC more power in some specific situations. The major change is that any title application must include at least one norm from an individual swiss tournament with at least 40 participants.

    From what I heard during this meeting, QC is very uncomfortable with current title situation and the well-known article in NY Times about the youngest GM in history. They clearly want to stop norm/title achieving by playing exclusively in round-robin or very small swiss events, like Mishra in Budapest. Clearly, the new requirement would make this "easy title route" more difficult.

    I fully support this proposal. The vast majority of Canadians who earned a title recently achieved it with 2 or all 3 norms in bid swiss events (GMs Preotu and Hambleton, IMs Kleinman, Chiku-Ratte, Thavandiran and others). So, we have nothing to worry about.

    For future Canadian events, it would be important to have Canadian Zonals with 40+ players, so a norm from this event would help title seekers to meet this new requirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Plotkin View Post

    For future Canadian events, it would be important to have Canadian Zonals with 40+ players, so a norm from this event would help title seekers to meet this new requirement.
    We would likely need to lower the entry requirements to ratings of 2000+ in order to get 40+ players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    We would likely need to lower the entry requirements to ratings of 2000+ in order to get 40+ players.
    At Kingston 2019, with a floor of 2200, we had 36 players. I would like to think that will increase with 2022 onward. The challenge with lowering the floor is that then the sheer "ratings math" for earning norms becomes more challenging. Also, most players' FIDE ratings are lower than their CFC ratings we use to "section" players.

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    Lowering the floor to 2000 CFC would significantly reduce chances for IM norm and practically eliminate chances for GM norm. Kingston-2019 with the floor of 2200 produced 1 IM norm and a good chance for GM norm for 1 player. You need an average rating of 2380 for GM norm, otherwise even 9/9 will not help. Nikolay Noritsyn got the average slightly above 2380, but finished with 6.5/9, missing the norm by 0.5 points.

    For most Canadian players any norm is good, because they have a good chance to make "40+ players" norm in any big tournament in USA or Europe.

    Maybe, in some situation organizers would consider adding 1-2 players with CFC slightly below 2200 and relatively high FIDE (at least 2050), if we have 38-39 participants. Likely, this decision should be done a few days before the start of the tournament then organizers know the whole picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Plotkin View Post
    Lowering the floor to 2000 CFC would significantly reduce chances for IM norm and practically eliminate chances for GM norm. Kingston-2019 with the floor of 2200 produced 1 IM norm and a good chance for GM norm for 1 player. You need an average rating of 2380 for GM norm, otherwise even 9/9 will not help. Nikolay Noritsyn got the average slightly above 2380, but finished with 6.5/9, missing the norm by 0.5 points.

    For most Canadian players any norm is good, because they have a good chance to make "40+ players" norm in any big tournament in USA or Europe.

    Maybe, in some situation organizers would consider adding 1-2 players with CFC slightly below 2200 and relatively high FIDE (at least 2050), if we have 38-39 participants. Likely, this decision should be done a few days before the start of the tournament then organizers know the whole picture.
    Yes, we largely seem to agree. I'm VERY hesitant to lower the rating floor from 2200.

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    FIDE recently adopted this recommendation by QC:

    "Any title application containing a norm not achieved before 30.6.2022 must include at least one norm from an individual Swiss tournament with every round containing at least forty participants whose average rating is at least 2000. For this purpose, players will be counted only if they miss at most one round ( excluding pairing allocated byes )."
    Last edited by Victor Plotkin; 11-20-2021 at 09:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Plotkin View Post
    FIDE recently adopted this recommendation by QC:

    "at least one norm from an individual Swiss tournament with every round containing at least forty participants whose average rating is at least 2000."
    I see nothing here about the (older) requirement that norm events have (titled) players from multiple federations. Has that requirement been abandoned? e.g. can all three norms be from Swiss events?

    Does the requirement specify that each section have 40+ players, or could a multi-section Swiss count all its entrants (incl. those in the U1400 section)?

    If the answers to both questions above are "yes", then the Kingston event could easily meet these new norm requirements, even without a larger turnout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Upper View Post
    I see nothing here about the (older) requirement that norm events have (titled) players from multiple federations. Has that requirement been abandoned? e.g. can all three norms be from Swiss events?

    Does the requirement specify that each section have 40+ players, or could a multi-section Swiss count all its entrants (incl. those in the U1400 section)?

    If the answers to both questions above are "yes", then the Kingston event could easily meet these new norm requirements, even without a larger turnout.
    1.43 Federations of opponents
    At least two federations other than that of the title applicant must be included, except 1.43a -
    1.43d shall be exempt. Nevertheless, 1.43e shall apply.
    1.43a The final stage of the national men’s (or open) championship and also
    national women’s championships. In the year when the Zonal or Sub-zonal
    tournament of a single federation is held, then the national championship is not
    exempt for that federation. This exemption applies only to players from the
    federation which registers the event.
    1.43b National team championships. This exemption applies only to players from the
    federation which registers the event. Results from different divisions may not be
    combined.
    1.43c Zonal and Sub-zonal tournaments.
    1.43d Swiss System tournaments in which participants include in every round at least
    20 FIDE rated players, not from the host federation, from at least 3 different
    federations, at least 10 of whom hold GM, IM, WGM or WIM titles.
    For this purpose, players will be counted only if they miss at most one round
    ( excluding pairing allocated byes ). Otherwise 1.44 applies.
    1.43e At least one of the norms has to be achieved under the normal foreigner
    requirement. (See 1.43 and 1.44)
    1.44 A maximum of 3/5 of the opponents may come from the applicant’s federation and a
    maximum of 2/3 of the opponents from one federation.

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    1 event must be "big swiss" with at least 40 players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Plotkin View Post
    1 event must be "big swiss" with at least 40 players.
    1.56 Any title application containing a norm not achieved before 30.6.2022 must include at least one norm from an individual Swiss tournament with every round containing at least forty participants whose average rating is at least 2000.
    For this purpose, players will be counted only if they miss at most one round ( excluding pairing allocated byes ).

    At least 40 FIDE rated players with an average above 2000, that will be hard to get in Canada.

    https://www.fide.com/docs/regulation...ons%202022.pdf

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