The current requirement is 20 games CFC or FIDE rated during the 12 months period before the deadline.
CFC FIDE Representative
The current requirement is 20 games CFC or FIDE rated during the 12 months period before the deadline.
CFC President
This proposal does not affect the 20 game minimum.Originally Posted by Victor Plotkin
CFC Voting Member
In summary, the current selection criteria are:
1. Played 20 games CFC or FIDE rated during the 12 months period before the deadline.
2. The winner of the last Canadian Closed (or Canadian Women)
3. 3 players by rating. (top CFC + top FIDE) / 2. Top = max rating in 12 months before the deadline. Deadline = 6 months before the start of the Olympiad.
4. Selection Committee chooses 1 player.
With Victor's motions (if all passed), the criteria will be:
1. Played 20 games CFC or FIDE rated during the 12 months period before the deadline (according to motion 5B2 a, the deadline is 5 months before the start of Olympiad).
2. No Selection Committee. The champion + 4 by rating.
3. Only FIDE rating for the National Team.
4. Last published rating instead of max rating.
5. Bonus/penalty for Canadian Closed
6. Bonus for juniors.
7. Bonus/penalty for the last Olympiad performance
Any other criteria not mentioned above exists? Please confirm.
CFC Voting Member
I finally get hold of a cached version of the CFC handbook. Following are the sections concerning the Olympiad players' selection:
905. The Selection Committee
The CFC Executive shall appoint a Selection Committee consisting of three well known and respected individuals who are of at least master strength and have knowledge of the Canadian chess community. [Motion 2012-V Barron/Zeromskis]
a) The Selection Committee shall be appointed no later than 180 days before the start of the Olympiad.
b) The Selection Committee shall select three players to be eligible for the National Team in a ranked order and three players to be eligible for the Women's team in a ranked order, taking into account the players' recent results, potential for improvement and such other factors as they consider relevant. These selections shall be made no later than 165 days before the start of the Olympiad. [Motion 2011L Bluvshtein/Zeromskis; amended by McDonald/von Keitz]
c) [Motion 2004-05 GL6 Harper/Feng] Neither member of the Selection Committee may play for the Canadian National Team in the Olympiad in question.
906. Selection of the players
a) Eligibility: Players are eligible to play on a Canadian Team if they are:
i) A Canadian Citizen or a permanent resident of Canada. Proof of status must be provided to the CFC Executive when a player accepts a position on a Team.
ii) A member in good standing of the CFC and the affiliated provincial association in the province of residence (if one exists) at the time of selection.
iii) Have played at least 10 regular CFC rated or FIDE rated games during the year prior to the start of the selection process (which begins 180 days before the start of the Olympiad).
b) National Team: [Motion Smith/Jaeger 2007-08 GL6, amendment of original Craver/Gillanders motion] The National Team shall consist of five players, as follows:
i) The Canadian Champion, as of 180 days before the start of the Olympiad.
ii) The three highest rated players on the Selection Rating List.
iii) One player decided upon by the Selection Committee.
c) Women’s Team: The Women’s Team shall consist of five players, as follows:
i) The Canadian Womens Champion, as of 180 days before the start of the Olympiad.
ii) The three highest rated female players on the Selection Rating list.
iii) One player decided upon by the Selection Committee.
d) Notification: Players shall be notified of their selection by the CFC Executive no later than 150 days before the start of the Olympiad.
e) Acceptance: Players shall notify the CFC Executive of their intention to play by no later than 120 days before the start of the Olympiad.
f) Replacements: If a player either declines the invitation or withdraws after indicating his or her intention to participate as a member of the National or Women's team {911}, a replacement player shall be notified as soon as practicable and shall have one week after being notified to inform the CFC of his or her intention to play. [Motion 2011M Bluvshtein/Zeromskis]
907. Selection Ratings
Selection of players for the Teams by rating shall be based on the average of the player’s highest CFC rating and highest FIDE rating during the year prior to the start of the selection process (which begins 180 days before the start of the Olympiad).
a) Established CFC and FIDE ratings shall be used to determine team selection.
b) The CFC shall publish, with each rating update, a list of the top 10 Selection Ratings and the top 10 Selection Ratings of female players.
CFC Voting Member
I am in support of most if not all of Victor's motions, but have a few procedual concerns. Please see whether the President and the Secretary could clarify on the following concerns. I do not wish the see the motions get passed but are not able to implement due to procedural errors.
1) Minimum games played (10 games, not 20 games)
Handbook section 906.a.iii) Have played at least 10 regular CFC rated or FIDE rated games during the year prior to the start of the selection process (which begins 180 days before the start of the Olympiad).
Other than the minimum games rule, there are also the residency rule and membership rule stated in section 906.
It is ambiguous to which section(s) of the Handbook are being affect/replace by Victor's motions. It would be best if the motion(s) could state this clearly.
2) Status of Selection Committee
From what I gathered from Victor's comments, his motions are intended to eliminate the Selection Committee, but this is not being explicitly stated in his motions. Victor's motion 5B1 "Motion #1. Selection of payers." corresponds to the Handbook section "906. Selection of the players". Even if Victor's motions are passed, I do not see that it will affect the Handbook section "905. The Selection Committee". Thus, I would expect there will still be a Selection Committee executing Victor's proposed selection rules. Victor, is this your intent?
Last edited by Michael Lo; 11-29-2016 at 03:34 PM.
CFC Voting Member
Furthermore, there are wording updates to the original motions:
1) Suggested by Garland, agreed by Victor
The formula uses the FIDE rating only as a base for the team if the average FIDE rating of top-5 eligible players is above 2300. The formula uses the average FIDE and CFC rating as a base for the team if the average FIDE rating of top-5 eligible players is below or equal 2300.
2) Agreed by Victor and Michael Barron
+20 points for 2nd place
+10 points for 3rd place
-10 points if the player did not participate or withdrew.
to:
+10 points if player played all rounds of Canadian Closed
+20 points for third place
+30 points for second place
How and when will the above be updated in the motions? By amendment before the voting ends? Can we still modify the motions after the voting?
CFC FIDE Representative
I believe, the president is supposed to answer these questions. From my point:
1. I fully accept "grammar" corrections by Christopher Field. I am sure, we do not need the special voting for it.
2. I never agreed to change the motion about Canadian Closed. It was just an example how we can avoid the word "penalty" if some governors are so unhappy with this word. Actually, the initial wording is more logical and looks better for me. I do not see any reason to change anything in this motion.
3. About FIDE and CFC-FIDE ratings. Yes, the wording with 2300 borderline looks better and more logical. If Vlad can change the wording without any additional voting, it's great. If not - I prefer not to have another voting. This motion was very important for me, the 2nd most important among 6 motions. Only the elimination of the Selection Committee was more important.
CFC Voting Member
Victor, sorry that I thought you agreed change the motion about Canadian Closed. Please note that, I personally would vote "yes" if the motion is changed to:
+10 points if player played all rounds of Canadian Closed
+20 points for third place
+30 points for second place
But would vote "no" for the original motion. Although the final point counting would be the same, the original motion explicitly penalize players not participated in the Canadian Closed which I do not agree with. To me, it is not just a change of wording, but it is a change of the objective of the selection rule.
I also prefer not to have another voting if possible.
CFC FIDE Representative
Michael,
Our handbook was not updated a very long period of time. The 20 games requirement was accepted by governors about 2 years ago. The next (2018) campaign will the first one with this 20 games requirement.
About the Selection Committee. My main goal for all 6 motions was ELIMINATING of this committee. I prefer motion 1 to pass and all other motions to fail then the opposite scenario (motion 1 fails, all other pass). According to motion 1, the team will have 5 players (the champion + 4 players by rating). There will be no space for any nominee of any committee.
CFC Voting Member
Thanks for the clarification on the 20 games.
So your motions are intended to:
a) eliminate Handbook section 205,
b) keep Handbook section 206.a, and
c) replace Handbook section 206.b
I am fine with all of the above, but worry that we may not be able to execute your motions as you intended. Eliminate Handbook section 205 is not mentioned in your motions at all, although it is your intent, I do not think we can execute "intent". Your motion "Motion #1. Selection of payers." corresponds to the Handbook section "906. Selection of the players", if passed, we may be forced to replace the whole Handbook section 206, including 206.a, which I do not think is your intent. Like you said, we will need the President to clarify on the situation. Vlad?
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