8a. Motion on WYCC – Barron / Noritsyn (full text see below)

[Valer Eugen Demian]

OK, I truly forgot about writing this 3 years ago; anyway I believe leaving the 3rd place out was just an oversight. My proposal is to add to this motion the 3rd place and have it written something like this:

"... If the winner is unable to participate, the second place finisher shall be invited to go in its place. If the second place is unable to participate, the third place finisher shall be invited to go in its place. If the third place finisher also declines, the highest finisher in the tournament who is willing to participate in the world event..."

My addition is with bold letters. How about this one? Opinions please!

[Vladimir Drkulec]

OK, I truly forgot about writing this 3 years ago; anyway I believe leaving the 3rd place out was just an oversight. My proposal is to add to this motion the 3rd place and have it written something like this:

"... If the winner is unable to participate, the second place finisher shall be invited to go in its place. If the second place is unable to participate, the third place finisher shall be invited to go in its place. If the third place finisher also declines, the highest finisher in the tournament who is willing to participate in the world event..."

My addition is with bold letters. How about this one? Opinions please!

It looks like a sensible addition to the handbook. I do have some reservations about the thrust of this which assumes that there is lots of time to approach each potential participant serially. I think it would make more sense if we allowed CYCC finisher number one, two and three to offer conditional acceptance where they are going only if they are the official player as a possible option and set the deadline early enough that we can sort everything out.

Vadim Tsypin kindly did a study of the various spring break timings across Canada were to a view of establishing an earlier time frame when we could hold our CYCC but unfortunately it doesn't seem that any two provinces have the same break period. The best we could hope for would be a weekend overlap between Ontario and Quebec with the other eight provinces all over the map and likely not being too amused if we tried to move it earlier in the year.

This year the deadline to register for WYCC may be before the end of CYCC so we will probably have to ask people to decide fairly quickly and maybe even before CYCC whether they wish to attend WYCC. I don't see any details from the organizers yet. It probably makes sense for people who definitely wish to go to make arrangements early to take advantage of the best flight prices.

[Ken Craft]

What problem is this motion designed to fix?

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

What problem is this motion designed to fix?

To make it ('unable to participate') a public knowledge.

[Ken Craft]

And is that a problem?

[Garland Best]

Ken, I suggest that you reread the discussions between Michael Barron and Vlad regarding the NAYCC. Michael believes there is a problem, while Vlad would differ. Whether it is a problem or not depends on whose view you agree with.

[Ken Craft]

I don't think it's a problem and I'm looking for those who think it is a problem to put forth a persuasive case.

[Michael Barron]

Ken, if Canada is not represented in all 12 WYCC sections, it is a problem - it's lost opportunity to develop Canadian chess.
On the other side, if Federation cares about players - the players care about Federation.
It's important for the future of Canadian chess, it's important for the future of CFC.

[Lyle Craver]

Well the point is that the obligation is two way not one way and too often the Office has had to go to extraordinary steps to make contact. I don't think that's fair to the Office.

Too many people (by no means just juniors) figure not keeping in touch is OK then complain if they get passed over. After all, the President and the Office are always wrong right? This problem goes back a long time and I suspect if you asked Jonathan Berry (who I've known for 40 years) he'd just shake his head sadly.

I'm going to support this as it's a step in the right direction. If we vote against anything that isn't perfection we'll never get anywhere.

[Vladimir Drkulec]

I don't have a problem with the intent of the motion. Just realize if the situation is such that it is practically impossible to follow the motion because of very late notice or missing contact information or being ignored by the potential contactees then it will probably be ignored. As Lyle said there is a two way street as far as responsibility for communication.

On a related note we don't have anyone in under 14 girls for NAYCC. Janet Peng wanted to go but is not sure that she can get the time off school. Unfortunately her mother has not been able to get the school to confirm that she will be allowed to attend. She is the only under 14 girl who has expressed interest. I am going to try to get the ability to make a substitution in the event that she is not able to attend. We need to do more to get girls to stick with chess longer.

There are 34 Canadian players registered to attend NAYCC at the moment with 35 possible if Janet Peng is successful with her school. Seven Windsor players are among the registered. Final determinations of official players will take place later today. Frank Lee or I might post it as soon as it is finalized.