28. Motion 2011-C - DISCUSSION

[Lyle Craver]

28. Motion 2011-C: (moved by Michael Barron, seconded by Anna Jin)

To amend section 1003 of the CFC Handbook:
"1003. Players: {Motion 2009-13 2009 AGM Nadeau/Lavin}
The following players shall be eligible to participate in each Youth Tournament provided they comply with the formal entry requirements of Article 1007:
(a) The qualifiers from that year's YCC's.
(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous year.
(c) The highest rating of each age category {open & female} of each Province {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}
(d) The host organizer may nominate three players for each category from the host location. {Amendment of Original Motion Barron/Langer}"

by adding the clause:

"(e) The former CYCC champions"

[Bob Armstrong]

28. Motion 2011-C: (moved by Michael Barron, seconded by Anna Jin)

To amend section 1003 of the CFC Handbook:
"1003. Players: {Motion 2009-13 2009 AGM Nadeau/Lavin}
The following players shall be eligible to participate in each Youth Tournament provided they comply with the formal entry requirements of Article 1007:
(a) The qualifiers from that year's YCC's.
(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous year.
(c) The highest rating of each age category {open & female} of each Province {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}
(d) The host organizer may nominate three players for each category from the host location. {Amendment of Original Motion Barron/Langer}"

by adding the clause:

"(e) The former CYCC champions"

I understood that at one point the Youth Committee was debating whether this amendment should include as well, 2nd and 3rd place finishers in the prior year's CYCC.

QUESTION - What reasons were there that the number pre-qualifying were restricted to only the " champions " ?

Bob

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

28. Motion 2011-C: (moved by Michael Barron, seconded by Anna Jin)

To amend section 1003 of the CFC Handbook:
"1003. Players: {Motion 2009-13 2009 AGM Nadeau/Lavin}
The following players shall be eligible to participate in each Youth Tournament provided they comply with the formal entry requirements of Article 1007:
(a) The qualifiers from that year's YCC's.
(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous year.
(c) The highest rating of each age category {open & female} of each Province {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}
(d) The host organizer may nominate three players for each category from the host location. {Amendment of Original Motion Barron/Langer}"

by adding the clause:

"(e) The former CYCC champions"

Would an additional "s" at the end of the (b) sentence diminish the need of (e)? [(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous years.]

(It is not related to the motion but to 1003. (c) - Would it be more appropriate to use "girls" instead of "female" in (c)? As in 1000 ... "Canadian Under 18 Championship Open and Girls")

[Michael Barron]

Yes, Egis, you're right - (b) deals with top 3 finishers from the previous year.

I would think, the champions deserve a little bit more recognition - since the need for (e), which deals only with the champions, but from the previous years.

Hope, it clarifies the intent of the motion.

[Bob Gillanders]

I would like to suggest we add:

(f) where there is no provincial qualifier, up to 3 players may be qualified at the discretion of the provincial youth coordinator. In the absence of a provincial official, the CFC executive would make the call.


This would avoid blocking a player from the CYCC who had no opportunity to compete to qualify.

[Francisco Cabanas]

How is a player resident in the territories, Yukon, NWT and Nunavut, supposed to qualify for these tournaments?

I would like to suggest we add:

(g) The highest rating of each age category {open & female} of the territories (Yukon, North West Territories and Nunavut) {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}

[Bob Gillanders]

I received this amendment motion from Governor Brammall:

Motion – Adding Pre-Qualifiers for CYCC

December 21, 2010

Moved: Stuart Brammall:; Seconded: Bob Armstrong

That section 1003 of the CFC handbook be amended to include the following:

(h) The top ten rated players in each age category in the country (as of may 1st prior to the CYCC).

Commentary:
The reasoning behind this is quite simple; these are our best players… and to exclude them would be detrimental to both the event and to the resulting WYCC team. It also ensures a minimum of ten players qualified in each section.

Note: I renumbered amendment from e to h for consistency.

[Vladimir Birarov]

Suggested by Francisco Cabanas:
(g) The highest rating of each age category {open & female} of the territories (Yukon, North West Territories and Nunavut) {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}

This is, basically, extension of (c) which then should be:
(c) The highest rated of each age category {open & female} of each Province and Territory {as of May 1st prior to the CYCC}

Suggested by Bob Gillanders:
(f) where there is no provincial qualifier, up to 3 players may be qualified at the discretion of the provincial youth coordinator. In the absence of a provincial official, the CFC executive would make the call.

I'm afraid this will lessen (a lot) the value of the initial motion. Having this option, why would provincial coordinator (besides, of course, ON, AB, QC and BC) even try to organize qualifier?

Suggested by Stuart Brammall:
(h) The top ten rated players in each age category in the country (as of may 1st prior to the CYCC).
The reasoning behind this is quite simple; these are our best players …

Some of these "top ten", most likely, already here - "(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous year". For the rest, if they are "our best players", it shouldn't be a problem to prove this in one of the qualifiers, should it?

[Fred McKim]

I'm afraid this will lessen (a lot) the value of the initial motion. Having this option, why would provincial coordinator (besides, of course, ON, AB, QC and BC) even try to organize qualifier?

I have organized Junior/Youth/Cadet tournaments in both NB and PEI over the years. In addition to qualifying players to national championships they were an event worth winning for their own merit.

Over the past 10-20 years a lot of similar organizers have gone over to running CMA events. We have 10-12 CMA tournaments per year in PEI. None of these organizers are interested in organizing CFC events.

In my province there are no players that would score 50% in any of the CYCC tournaments, so there is no real need for a qualifier.

I would consider organizing a PEI Junior or Youth tournament if a) I felt there would be a market and b) I didn't already organize the maximum number of events (6) per year I'm allowed, by my better half.

[Stuart Brammall]

Some of these "top ten", most likely, already here - "(b) The qualifiers from the CYCC to the WYCC of the previous year". For the rest, if they are "our best players", it shouldn't be a problem to prove this in one of the qualifiers, should it?

It should be said that this motion was drawn up in consultation with Victor Itkine (CFC Member, Youth Committee, CYCC Organiser), who was the main force behind it.

I share some reservation about it, specifically that some kids may use it to opt out of the YCCs.

I am more worried about something else though, and that is that it is still not clear we are going to have enough YCCs to make sure those who should be playing get qualified. This motion provides a safety net-- if in the near future (maybe this year, maybe sometime after) the YCCs do not get orgaized, then there will be at least ten players qualified anyway.

Perhaps the date specified should be changed... say to the first rating list after OYCC or some such... that way players will not know if they have qualified by rating before deciding whether or not to play.