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Bob Armstrong
09-15-2009, 01:59 AM
Here is an important post from the CFC President on ChessTalk, that I think also should be on this CFC members' CFC Chess Forum:

September 15, 2009, 01:12 AM
Eric Van Dusen

CFC Website Update 2009-09-14

Greetings CFC members and governors,

I will try to explain matters pertaining to the web site as has been explained to me by our contractor, EKG.

As many of you know the CFC website was hacked and became infected. Our contractor for office services, EKG stepped in and began almost at once to work on the problem. What many people do not know (I certainly did not) is that Google scans sites and when they become infected, Google tags the site so that web browsers will be sent an error message.

The site has been cleaned up by EKG and their IT specialists are in contact with Google to rescan the site and give it a clean bill of health, that is, its seal of approval. However like any huge company, it takes time for them to deal with any requests for help. It reminds one of the government. For those naysayers, Google is that powerful and until they get around to it, their inaction keeps our site from operating.

As for the site itself, it was developed by the previous office staff and typical of most software developers, it was made in such a way to make it difficult for anyone except for the creator to maintain and upgrade the site. That is how software specialists keep the revenues flowing with follow-on maintenance contracts. The fact is the budget presented at this year's CFC AGM set aside money to develop a new web site as well as a web magazine. The attendees of the meeting including Bob Armstrong were not too happy about what they perceived as putting good money after bad regarding the web site and the e-magazine.

The web site is like a piece of factory machinery or an automobile. One can keep spending money to repair it but at some point, one has to make a calculation on what is more economical: Repairs or replacement. That is what I meant that the CFC Executive is considering the option of a new site. This means that the CFC Executive unfortunately are still dealing with transitional costs that were part of David Lavin's tenure as president.

If some of you sharp IT specialists would like to make a proposal on a new web site and volunteer your time in creating a website and give all the intellectual property rights to the CFC, please send you proposals to my email account: president@chess.ca

As some of you know, the Stratford festival is presenting Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. All I can say to my new best friend, Kevin is, "Et tu Brute'. I was hoping our honeymoon would have lasted a little longer.

I acknowledge that people are impatient and want the situation solved yesterday. Until I get the use of a TARDIS, I am requesting some understanding and patience on your part. To all of those kibitzers, I would respectfully remind you that it is always easier to play someone else's pieces than your own.

In closing, a few people have volunteered to help the CFC with its web site, and I would very much like to thank them for their interest.

Eric Van Dusen
CFC President

And here is my reply:

September 15, 2009, 01:50 AM
Bob Armstrong

Re: CFC Website Update 2009-09-14

Hi Eric:

Thanks for the update. It seems some IT members disagree that the CFC website cannot/should not go back on line now. They do not see Google as having any power to stop this. They seem to be saying that the site can have a simple notice for those getting the google virus warning, that the site is now clean, and we are just awaiting the google " bill of good health ", which takes them a bit of time to get to. Has the executive considered this option, and what is their response?

As a further clarification on my personal opinion, I had reservations about the CFC Webzine, and CFC's ability to maintain it $ wise, and make it competitive. In the summer of 2007, the Grassroots' Campaign suggested as an alternate, an electronic newsletter to all members, something the CFC has now finally adopted. And my concern about the money set aside for Webzine development in the Lavin budget, was that the webzine is too expensive, and too labour intensive, for CFC to deliver a quality product. That was all about the Webzine. There was no discussion at the time in the AGM about a new CFC website to my recollection - I'll recheck the minutes.

But I have some misgivings if this is the time to spend $ 20,000 on a new website, when we for the first time in 5 years have a surplus. The CFC website, in the words of Governor Zeromskis, is nothing special, but it functions and provides basic members' services. I have no idea about your concern that it is difficult to maintain because it is unique to our past developer ( whom I assume was someone before Vincent Chow, since he seemed to develop the new Webzine, alongside the existing CFC website ). If it is indeed not maintainable and not upgradable, then I agree this is a serious problem. But what is the cost to be for a new site - Is Kevin in the ballpark with $ 20,000? Chris Mallon has offered to do it for $ 10,000. You have said there have been some volunteers to help with the virus attack problem. But are they willing to volunteer to develop a whole website? They may only be willing to be free consultants to a formal new website developer. I guess this item of cost really needs to be on the table, for the governors to discuss whether they will enter into a totally new website. And how are we to guarantee that this new website will not be equally impossible to maintain and upgrade without future developer contracts, because no one else will know how to do it?

Food for thought.

Thanks for dialoguing on it with everyone.

Bob

What do members want??

Bob

Eric Van Dusen
09-15-2009, 10:13 AM
Hi Bob

Please see comments below for a reply.

Bob Armstrong

Re: CFC Website Update 2009-09-14

Hi Eric:

Thanks for the update. It seems some IT members disagree that the CFC website cannot/should not go back on line now. They do not see Google as having any power to stop this. They seem to be saying that the site can have a simple notice for those getting the google virus warning, that the site is now clean, and we are just awaiting the google " bill of good health ", which takes them a bit of time to get to. Has the executive considered this option, and what is their response?

Bob, the Executive considers all options. I am following the advice of the IT specialists that the CFC pays for. Free advice is always available, but sometimes you get what you pay for regarding the quality of said advice.



As a further clarification on my personal opinion, I had reservations about the CFC Webzine, and CFC's ability to maintain it $ wise, and make it competitive. In the summer of 2007, the Grassroots' Campaign suggested as an alternate, an electronic newsletter to all members, something the CFC has now finally adopted. And my concern about the money set aside for Webzine development in the Lavin budget, was that the webzine is too expensive, and too labour intensive, for CFC to deliver a quality product. That was all about the Webzine. There was no discussion at the time in the AGM about a new CFC website to my recollection - I'll recheck the minutes.

I believe that the Grassroots coalition and myself created the idea of an electronic newsletter independently of each other. Be that as it may, check the budget published in GL 6 and that was presented to the 2009 AGM. The line item was for a one-time investment in a new web-zine and a new web-site.

But I have some misgivings if this is the time to spend $ 20,000 on a new website, when we for the first time in 5 years have a surplus. The CFC website, in the words of Governor Zeromskis, is nothing special, but it functions and provides basic members' services. I have no idea about your concern that it is difficult to maintain because it is unique to our past developer ( whom I assume was someone before Vincent Chow, since he seemed to develop the new Webzine, alongside the existing CFC website ). If it is indeed not maintainable and not upgradable, then I agree this is a serious problem.

Many years ago and in a different life, I worked in the Informatics field. Any programmer will tell you that working on software designed by someone else with no documentation is a challenge no matter how simple it looks. For someone to say different strikes me as irresponsible.

But what is the cost to be for a new site - Is Kevin in the ballpark with $ 20,000? Chris Mallon has offered to do it for $ 10,000. You have said there have been some volunteers to help with the virus attack problem. But are they willing to volunteer to develop a whole website? They may only be willing to be free consultants to a formal new website developer. I guess this item of cost really needs to be on the table, for the governors to discuss whether they will enter into a totally new website. And how are we to guarantee that this new website will not be equally impossible to maintain and upgrade without future developer contracts, because no one else will know how to do it?

EK Gillin will be submitting a proposal for a new website. I have invited IT specialists who support the CFC to also submit a proposal. The Executive has no hard numbers yet.

While I have not spoken to Kevin personally, the figure of the $20,000.00 for a new website is a number that Kevin pulled out of hat. In other words, he just made up a number. Now that the number is being repeated, people are believing it is true. If Mallon or any other IT specialist would like to create a new website for the CFC, those people have been in the position for some time to send a proposal to the CFC Executive. Again, here I invite them to send a proposal ASAP.

Bob, I am grateful that you are keeping vigilant on CFC matters.

Eric Van Dusen
CFC President

Gerry Litchfield
09-16-2009, 04:37 PM
As of today some base functions have been restored;

All lists can be downloaded from ratings page.
Crosstables can be viewed, and CFCMembers.mde can be downloaded.
See chess.ca for links.

Name searching and Top Lists etc...not yet functioning.

Hope to have everything back up shortly.

Gerry Litchfield

Bob Armstrong
09-16-2009, 11:33 PM
Hi Eric:

Thanks for the response - I had missed that the $ 20,000 Lavin budget item was for the website, as well as the webzine.

Firstlly, the executive seems to have concluded that a new CFC website is necessary. Could the exec. send to the governors a list of the factors that have led the exec. to this conclusion? It would allow us to raise any questions we may have about these factors. The website has been functioning for many years now in what seemed like a satisfactory manner, and was providing the basic member services. This is the first year we have had a surplus in 5 years, and this expense will diminish that substantially, it seems. So this new tac is somewhat unexpected. It seems a good idea to get the governors on side on this issue.

Secondly, the Executive has, based on their decision, now put out for tenders for a new website. A jurisdictional question - does the executive see this as a " normal day-to-day operations issue " that they alone have jurisdiction to decide? Or will they, after reviewing the proposals, bring them to the Governors with a recommendation to proceed, and which proposal they recommend?

Bob

Christopher Mallon
09-16-2009, 11:55 PM
If it's in the budget then the exec can decide. Of course was the budget approved at the AGM?

Given that the site has not really functioned properly in ages - ie frequent crashes/unable to retrieve ratings data etc. It should be fairly apparent that a new site is needed.

I had some stats from 2006 which supported the need for a new site also based on traffic to the CFC site. Basically the fact that 95% of the traffic on the site never even saw the words "Chess Federation of Canada" or had an obvious link back to any of the main site.

Bob Armstrong
09-17-2009, 12:20 AM
Hi Chris:

At the AGM, the Lavin budget line of $ 20,000 for webzine and website was specifically not approved. It was felt that some of this money should go to set up a " National Championships Development Fund ".

Also, since the budget was going to be revised by the Van Dusen regime, my recollection is that it was never put to a vote ( I'll have to check the minutes on this ).

So it is my view that the revised Van Dusen budget still has to be brought to the governors for an approval vote. At that time the governors would be free to raise concerns about any budget item for " New CFC Website ". Thus the executive cannot proceed to contract for a new website at this time, since the spending authorization is not yet there from the governors.

Bob

Kerry Liles
09-17-2009, 09:25 AM
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Thus the executive cannot proceed to contract for a new website at this time, since the spending authorization is not yet there from the governors.

Bob

Damn, Bob, you made coffee fly out my nose... Now that I have recovered somewhat from that mishap, riddle me this: when was the last time that mattered?

Kudos to you for pointing this out, but the sad truth is that for years the CFC has been run by the Executive with little or no regard to anything the Governors or ordinary members may have to say. Sure, there are occasional skirmishes where the Exec are stymied but sooner or later they do what they wanted to do.

Ken Craft
09-17-2009, 09:38 AM
Glad to see Bob taking up the matle of executive accountability.

Bob Gillanders
09-17-2009, 10:38 AM
Glad to see Bob taking up the matle of executive accountability.

3 cheers for Bob Armstrong, who has done more than anyone else in recent times to promote communication & accountability of CFC issues.

Where's the beef (cash) from the proceeds of the condo sale? I haven't heard anything recent, so can I assume it is still being held in trust by the CFC lawyer (Les Bunning), awaiting direction from the Executive?

With lots of cash available, the possibility of reckless spending increases. I am only stating a fact of life here, large sums of money do tend to burn a hole in your pocket! I have confidence Eric and Maurice do plan to be frugal, but it is also the governors responsibility to ensure wise spending.

Last year, many governors expressed concern that the sale proceeds would be spend recklessly by either the current or future executive. The plan then was to safeguard the cash by depositing it to the Chess Foundation of Canada where it would earn interest. Is that still the plan?

Can we get an update on the condo sale proceeds?