Gerry (or anyone who knows Swiss Assistant)

[Aris Marghetis]

Exactly how would I include colours in my Swiss Assistant report? The CFC would need them to submit to FIDE for their rating. Thanks and regards, Aris.

[Christopher Mallon]

Probably an oversight in the program... I would suggest including your wall charts when you submit the event.

[Aris Marghetis]

Probably an oversight in the program... I would suggest including your wall charts when you submit the event.
I already sent in my FIDE-style wall chart, but I was informed that I needed the program report to avoid an extra $2 per player. So, since I now rate all my Regular tournaments CFC & FIDE, are you saying that I have to submit both my wall chart (soft copy, mind you) and an extra stripped down report?

oooh, this makes me feel so bloody appreciated as an Organizer/TD, LOL

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Exactly how would I include colours in my Swiss Assistant report? The CFC would need them to submit to FIDE for their rating. Thanks and regards, Aris.

This is a very cranky way, and it is not documented:

You enter normal way, but after the result you include the color:
Ww1
Wb3
etc.

There is one (or maybe more) drawbacks. The "color" is not shown for the opponent (thus you may enter that for them as well)

After finishing all crosstable, make a report. The file *.tms hold a color information as well. Don't make any sorting, as all your work will be lost :eek:

Than you would pass all this head-pain to the CFC ED :D

[Aris Marghetis]

This is a very cranky way, and it is not documented:

You enter normal way, but after the result you include the color:
Ww1
Wb3
etc.

There is one (or maybe more) drawbacks. The "color" is not shown for the opponent (thus you may enter that for them as well)

After finishing all crosstable, make a report. The file *.tms hold a color information as well. Don't make any sorting, as all your work will be lost :eek:

Than you would pass all this head-pain to the CFC ED :D
um, I'm sorry, but I don't understand ... what is the exact format to use?

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

um, I'm sorry, but I don't understand ... what is the exact format to use?

Aris, it would be better if you would use for the FIDE report SwissSys or smth else but SwissAssistant.

Anyway the format:

RcNr

R - result (Win, Lost, Unplayed)
c - color (white, black)
Nr - opponent's # (1, 3, 15)

Enter only once for the pair

14. Somebody Wb16
...
16 Anybody L14 (this is created automatically)

good luck.

[Tony Ficzere]

Exactly how would I include colours in my Swiss Assistant report? The CFC would need them to submit to FIDE for their rating. Thanks and regards, Aris.

Hi Aris,

When Bob was ed, I use to run the utility in SwissSys that generated the FIDE report. With Gerry, I just send him the Xc file (X= number of rounds).

[Aris Marghetis]

Hi Aris,

When Bob was ed, I use to run the utility in SwissSys that generated the FIDE report. With Gerry, I just send him the Xc file (X= number of rounds).
Thanks Egidijus and Tony.

By the way, Egidijus, your idea works for the first opponent, but then unless I turn off automatic opponent update, it strips the format down for the opponent, requiring twice the data entry. Are you sure that the CFC rating programs can read that format? I can't get a hold of Gerry to check ...

Tony, I was using Swiss Assistant to just enter the crosstables. Are you saying that I need to re-install Swiss-Sys, and fake the event through it?

P.S. Does anyone know what Gerry's hours are this week, especially today?

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

By the way, Egidijus, your idea works for the first opponent, but then unless I turn off automatic opponent update, it strips the format down for the opponent, requiring twice the data entry. Are you sure that the CFC rating programs can read that format? I can't get a hold of Gerry to check ...

Tony, I was using Swiss Assistant to just enter the crosstables. Are you saying that I need to re-install Swiss-Sys, and fake the event through it?

Probably, the method for SwissAssistant is not accepted by the CFC rating programs. And the best is to start faking :cool: (How many players manually re(-)pair?) Unless you have some other program which can generate a FIDE report.

It would much more helpful to have a CFC standard in the text format, that even with the simple text editor is possible to create a rating report including FIDE.

[Aris Marghetis]

Probably, the method for SwissAssistant is not accepted by the CFC rating programs. And the best is to start faking :cool: (How many players manually re(-)pair?) Unless you have some other program which can generate a FIDE report.

It would much more helpful to have a CFC standard in the text format, that even with the simple text editor is possible to create a rating report including FIDE.
It looks like the rest of my afternoon will be blown re-creating the whole event in Swiss-Sys. I am too pissed off to say anything else now. I'll get it done for the sake of the players, and then ask some tough questions later.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me figure this out. Much appreciated.

[Stephen Wright]

For what it's worth, an explanation of the Krause format can be found here (http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/5-whats-news/2245-736-general-data-exchange-format-for-tournament-results) - note the downloadable format and example files. Using the example as a basis I have in the past created such reports manually, although it's tedious and time consuming work.

[Aris Marghetis]

For what it's worth, an explanation of the Krause format can be found here (http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/5-whats-news/2245-736-general-data-exchange-format-for-tournament-results) - note the downloadable format and example files. Using the example as a basis I have in the past created such reports manually, although it's tedious and time consuming work.
Hi Stephen, it's been a while since we talked, it's good to hear from you! :)

As the afternoon wore on, I realized that trying to use Swiss-Sys to emulate my last event wasn't worth the sheer time. You see, I paired three distinct sections, but they were recorded as one big section, so that I could easily slide any single player down if I needed to in order to avoid forced byes.

After a few hours, I learned nicely how to use Swiss-Sys, but the re-creation was just manual pairing changing, etc. So, that's when I agreed with Gerry that I would just re-create the reports that Swiss-Sys would generate.

Therefore, your Krause link is indeed very handy! However, I then recalled that the new extra $2 pairing charge applies for CFC ratings. Therefore, for now, I just need to generate the file for CFC pairings, whose format Gerry has graciously provided. For the FIDE ratings, I have already provided a softcopy that includes colours, and have mailed in $2.20 more per every player in the event, and I have heard that the CFC would not pay that much, so I guess they would keep a little cash over finalizing the FIDE ratings file! ;)

Thanks again for everyone's help, I should be done in a couple more hours, and the softcopy I send in tonight will be ready to be auto-rated tomorrow.

Yours in chess, Aris.

[Kerry Liles]

Hi Stephen, it's been a while since we talked, it's good to hear from you! :)

As the afternoon wore on, I realized that trying to use Swiss-Sys to emulate my last event wasn't worth the sheer time. You see, I paired three distinct sections, but they were recorded as one big section, so that I could easily slide any single player down if I needed to in order to avoid forced byes.

After a few hours, I learned nicely how to use Swiss-Sys, but the re-creation was just manual pairing changing, etc. So, that's when I agreed with Gerry that I would just re-create the reports that Swiss-Sys would generate.

Therefore, your Krause link is indeed very handy! However, I then recalled that the new extra $2 pairing charge applies for CFC ratings. Therefore, for now, I just need to generate the file for CFC pairings, whose format Gerry has graciously provided. For the FIDE ratings, I have already provided a softcopy that includes colours, and have mailed in $2.20 more per every player in the event, and I have heard that the CFC would not pay that much, so I guess they would keep a little cash over finalizing the FIDE ratings file! ;)

Thanks again for everyone's help, I should be done in a couple more hours, and the softcopy I send in tonight will be ready to be auto-rated tomorrow.

Yours in chess, Aris.

I'll have to have a look at the link to the Krause information (later...) but in the meantime, I can understand your pain. There is a separate thread elsewhere that I posted where Egidijus helped me immensely by revealing some of SwissSys' secrets. I find everything that program does to be counter-intuitive, so I guess the only solution is to spend many hours screwing around with it. Although your event was large(!) I was tempted to send in my 12-player round robin on paper and just pay the extra bloody money!!! [and I wasn't even playing in that tournament...!]

In the end, with Egidijus's assistance I managed to blunder through the round-robin, but I didn't find it enjoyable and I would not have bothered except to avoid the additional rating fee.

I have no idea how Egidijus discovered the information he found about SS - it was FAR from clear in any help I read. All in all, I think it is a very poorly constructed piece of software, but it seems the CFC is stuck with it.

[David Lavin]

These are al very good questions. Did anyone ask Thad Suits, who wrote the program, for any input? He has repeatedly said that he will answer any question personally and quickly. He has provided his email in this forum and his contact information is available in the program as well.