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Michael Barron
07-24-2010, 10:59 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

The 2010 World Youth Chess Championships (under 8, under 10, under 12, under 14, under 16 & under 18) will be held in the 5-star resort of Porto Carras in Halkidiki, Greece from 19 October (arrival) to 31 October (departure).

Canadian Champions invited to participate at this prestigious event:

Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Sonja Xiong
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Please confirm your participation before July 31st.

Michael Barron
07-24-2010, 11:33 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

If you have any important information related to WYCC, please post it on this thread.

Thanks to Victoria Doknjas, we got the following advice from WYCC Organising Committee:

"We strongly advise not to use trains to travel from Athens to Thessaloniki. The state train company provides very unstable services, staff strikes are very likely and the journey can be from 6 to 9 hours long. We recommend connecting flights to Thessaloniki airport where our buses will be located to pick you up.

While you stay in Porto Carras (not Thessaloniki :)) our partner agency will organise tours for participants at a very reasonable cost."

Michael Barron
07-24-2010, 11:38 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

Thanks to Victoria Doknjas, we got the following information:

"As per the WYCC Organizers: For familes of 4 or 5, there are junior suites available. The cost for such suites with full board is 59 euros per person per night (invited players are calculated for free in the total cost).

The beds in these 4-person junior suite has a king/queen bed for the parents and one more bed suitable for 2 children.

Even though they automatically give these junior suites to families of 4 or 5, it would be good that we indicate that we want a junior suite specifically on our application/registation form."

Andrei Botez
07-26-2010, 12:11 AM
Dear Chess Friends,

The 2010 World Youth Chess Championships (under 8, under 10, under 12, under 14, under 16 & under 18) will be held in the 5-star resort of Porto Carras in Halkidiki, Greece from 19 October (arrival) to 31 October (departure).

Canadian Champions invited to participate at this prestigious event:

Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Sonja Xiong
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Please confirm your participation before July 31st.

Is good to know that in case of any of the Canadian girls winning in Brazil at Panamerican Youth, they will have personal right to got to WYCC, so Canadian team can have extra official players that can register.

Andrei

Vladimir Birarov
07-28-2010, 12:29 PM
The link to double room description: http://www.portocarras.com/default.asp?pid=266&la=4

And this is from organizers

a) A double room can be used both as a single and a triple as per the description below (due to availability restrictions, only one single room per federation can be booked). It has 2 beds available:
"Spacious, comfortable and with delicate decoration, with double bed, sofa bed, satellite TV, radio, direct telephone line, safe deposit, mini bar, A/C, fully equipped bathroom, hairdryer and balcony with furniture. Size 30m2, number of persons: max 3 people (ideal for 2 adults and 1 child)"

b) A junior suite is given to families with 4 members, it is bigger in size with one queen/king bed and one bed suitable for 2 children.

Just in case there will be a family with infants under 2 years old:

The registration fee is required by all over 2 years old.
but ... you still need to pay full board for him/her :rolleyes: .

Andrei Botez
07-28-2010, 08:39 PM
As far as I know, if anyone would like to be an arbiter at WYCC, that can be requested in advance. Last year Mr. Vega (FIDE Americas president) told me that nobody requested to be, so this is the reason that there were no arbiters from N. America. I expect that some experience is necessary. Also being an arbiter at WYCC can count as a norm towards FA/ IA or IA activity norm. If I remember correctly, this also will be remunerated (not a lot).

Andrei

Michael Barron
07-28-2010, 11:52 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

Thanks to Victoria Doknjas, we got the following information:

"As per the WYCC Organizers: For familes of 4 or 5, there are junior suites available. The cost for such suites with full board is 59 euros per person per night (invited players are calculated for free in the total cost).

The beds in these 4-person junior suite has a king/queen bed for the parents and one more bed suitable for 2 children.

Even though they automatically give these junior suites to families of 4 or 5, it would be good that we indicate that we want a junior suite specifically on our application/registation form."

Some clarification regarding WYCC accommodation - again from Victoria Doknjas:

"Our concern was that a junior suite would not be large enough for all 5 of us. So, I contacted the WYCC Organizers and asked for 2 adjourning rooms (a double room + a triple room).

They basically said, "yes" this is do-able and we just pay 59 Euros per person per night for those staying in the triple room and 68 Euros per person per night for those staying in the double room (note that invited players are calculated for free in the total cost).

So, if there are other families who need accomodations bigger than the junior suite (King/Queen bed + sofabed suitable for 2 children), they may want to consider getting 2 rooms."

Thanks, Victoria, for sharing this info!

jack qian
08-01-2010, 12:00 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

The 2010 World Youth Chess Championships (under 8, under 10, under 12, under 14, under 16 & under 18) will be held in the 5-star resort of Porto Carras in Halkidiki, Greece from 19 October (arrival) to 31 October (departure).

Canadian Champions invited to participate at this prestigious event:

Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Sonja Xiong
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Please confirm your participation before July 31st.

Michael,
Please announce all canada team members for 2010 World Youth Chess Championships .

Michael Barron
08-04-2010, 11:28 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce that we will be able to send a strong support group with the Canadian Team to 2010 World Youth Chess Championship:

Team Coach: correspondence IM Vladimir Birarov,
Head of Delegation: Andrei Botez,
2 Journalists: Andrew Giblon and Victoria Doknjas.

The official Canadian representatives:
Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Marguerite Fan Yang
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman
Boys u-14 David Itkin
Boys u-12 Edward Song
Boys u-12 John Doknjas
Boys u-10 Jason Cao
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon
Girls u-10 Minya Bai
Girls u-10 Janet Peng
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao

Please contact me to provide missing registration info, including time of arrival to Thessaloniki airport.

All payments should be done to the CFC Office by August 10.

jack qian
08-05-2010, 02:00 AM
Dear Chess Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce that we will be able to send a strong support group with the Canadian Team to 2010 World Youth Chess Championship:

Team Coach: correspondence IM Vladimir Birarov,
Head of Delegation: Andrei Botez,
2 Journalists: Andrew Giblon and Victoria Doknjas.

The official Canadian representatives:
Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Marguerite Fan Yang
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman
Boys u-14 David Itkin
Boys u-12 Edward Song
Boys u-12 John Doknjas
Boys u-10 Jason Cao
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon
Girls u-10 Minya Bai
Girls u-10 Janet Peng
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao

Please contact me to provide missing registration info, including time of arrival to Thessaloniki airport.

All payments should be done to the CFC Office by August 10.

Some players are out of first three place in CYCC,Some don't go CYCC, are they still qualify to go?
Does CFC change rule for WYCC?

Kerry Liles
08-05-2010, 10:24 PM
Some players are out of first three place in CYCC,Some don't go CYCC, are they still qualify to go?
Does CFC change rule for WYCC?

Not very many people read this forum - you might want to start a new thread on the main section... I believe your questions deserve some answers.

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 12:42 AM
Dear Chess Friends,

As it turned out, Xuekun Xing (Jackie Peng's mom) wants to be a Head of Delegation, and Andrei Botez doesn't mind this change.

I would like to remind:
Head of Delegation - is a volunteer position without free accommodation.
We will try partially reimburse Head of Delegation for travel expenses, but it won't be full reimbursement - we need to reimburse our invited players first.

We expect the Head of Delegation to assume organizational tasks to allow Team Coach to devote more time and efforts for our players chess preparation.

These tasks include (but not limited to):

Before getting there:
- Communication with all the Canadian delegation for badges, getting everyone's picture, format to the required size and forward them to WYCC organizers
- Creating and updating a blog for our team with all necessary information.

After getting there:
- Being sure that everyone got there rooms, badges and the registration is complete
- Organizing every day team meetings and team picture
- Planning together with Vladimir for each player training spot before and after their games
- Keeping contact with the organizers regarding all the needs of Canadian team
- Making sure that the only official bulletin is available to all members of delegation and that this will be pick up as early as possible every day.
- Being available every day during the round time+1h in case one of the players would like to fill an official complain, be sure that the complain is valid based on the regulation, if they are not valid, the cost is an extra 100 euro
- In case that any of the member is sick, to be ready to help him/her getting medical attention (there are many older players with out an adult supervision)
- Dealing with the organizers and hotel managers for all the issues created by the older players ( for example: you can be asked to go to the front desk in the middle of the night in case someone from our delegation is drinking, fighting and so on)
- Negotiating with organizers for the any money amount that some of the Canadian delegation players/guests will own
- Mediating all the conflicts that might come between the members of our delegation.

I would like to make sure that everyone who wants be the delegate will know what are the expectations.

Please let me know if somebody else is willing to volunteer for this position, so, we can pick the best person.

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 12:55 AM
Some players are out of first three place in CYCC,Some don't go CYCC, are they still qualify to go?
Does CFC change rule for WYCC?

No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions... ;)

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 01:03 AM
Dear Chess Friends,

Just to clarify:
To arrange the payment, please contact Gerry Litchfield at the CFC Office:

Chess Federation of Canada
356 Ontario Street, Suite 373
Stratford, ON N5A 7X6
Phone: (519) 508-2362
Fax: (519) 508-6595

All payments should be made to the CFC Office by August 10,
major credit cards or cheques accepted,
cheque should be made payable to "Chess Federation of Canada" with comment "WYCC",
exchange rate is 1.4 CAD/EUR.

All other questions regarding payments please address directly to Gerry Litchfield at the CFC Office.

John Coleman
08-06-2010, 10:19 AM
Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:

Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:12 AM
No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions... ;)

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:

That means anyone can apply for additional player at WYCC, no matter he or she played in CYCC. So the player can save money for CYCC.

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:31 AM
No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions... ;)

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:


Some excellent players cost a lot of money to play at CYCC, but others didn't cost any money or played no good at CYCC. The result is same. They are all additional players at WYCC.
I think it is not necessarily to hold CYCC.

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:38 AM
Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

If anybody have no chance to win at CYCC.He don't need to go CYCC. Because they also can get additional player at WYCC???

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:45 AM
No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions... ;)

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:

If CFC didn't change rules for WYCC,please obey this rules.

jack qian
08-06-2010, 12:07 PM
Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

CFC: Especially Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th) and Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)????? Why?

jack qian
08-06-2010, 12:28 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

As it turned out, Xuekun Xing (Jackie Peng's mom) wants to be a Head of Delegation, and Andrei Botez doesn't mind this change.

I would like to remind:
Head of Delegation - is a volunteer position without free accommodation.
We will try partially reimburse Head of Delegation for travel expenses, but it won't be full reimbursement - we need to reimburse our invited players first.

We expect the Head of Delegation to assume organizational tasks to allow Team Coach to devote more time and efforts for our players chess preparation.

These tasks include (but not limited to):

Before getting there:
- Communication with all the Canadian delegation for badges, getting everyone's picture, format to the required size and forward them to WYCC organizers
- Creating and updating a blog for our team with all necessary information.

After getting there:
- Being sure that everyone got there rooms, badges and the registration is complete
- Organizing every day team meetings and team picture
- Planning together with Vladimir for each player training spot before and after their games
- Keeping contact with the organizers regarding all the needs of Canadian team
- Making sure that the only official bulletin is available to all members of delegation and that this will be pick up as early as possible every day.
- Being available every day during the round time+1h in case one of the players would like to fill an official complain, be sure that the complain is valid based on the regulation, if they are not valid, the cost is an extra 100 euro
- In case that any of the member is sick, to be ready to help him/her getting medical attention (there are many older players with out an adult supervision)
- Dealing with the organizers and hotel managers for all the issues created by the older players ( for example: you can be asked to go to the front desk in the middle of the night in case someone from our delegation is drinking, fighting and so on)
- Negotiating with organizers for the any money amount that some of the Canadian delegation players/guests will own
- Mediating all the conflicts that might come between the members of our delegation.

I would like to make sure that everyone who wants be the delegate will know what are the expectations.

Please let me know if somebody else is willing to volunteer for this position, so, we can pick the best person.

Michael:Head of Delegation - is not a volunteer position.Because he or she can get travel expenses. That is why they dispute. I am not a member of team canada.So I persuade
Andrei Botez. He has experence last year.He did very well.

Egidijus Zeromskis
08-06-2010, 04:35 PM
Just a question:
How is the coach time shared between players? (especially when there are "official" players and many "additional")

Thank you, John C. for summarizing about "additional" players.

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 08:43 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

I would like to clarify the Head of Delegation selection process:
- The decision is made solely by the Chess Federation of Canada;
- Input from parents of this year’s team members is taken into account, but it is not a democratic vote among parents;
- Selection criteria include:

Proven experience in performing this or similar roles in the past;
Demonstrated attitude and behaviour in the best interests of the team and all of its members;
Available time and commitment to not just look after their own children;
Demonstrated leadership skills;
Demonstrated oral and written communication skills;
Demonstrated interpersonal / diplomacy / advocacy / negotiation / conflict resolution skills;
Demonstrated planning and organization skills;
Basic knowledge of chess tournament rules that may arise in disputes, e.g. pausing the clock, draw offers, how to properly claim 3-times repetition, etc.


I would like to make sure that everyone who wants be the Head of Delegation understands the selection process.

Please let me know if somebody else is willing to volunteer for this position, so, we can pick the best person.

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 08:55 PM
Just a question:
How is the coach time shared between players? (especially when there are "official" players and many "additional")


Egis,
There are no hard rules here.
In general, it's decided by the coach himself for the benefit of whole team, with cooperation of Head of Delegation and parents.

Michael Barron
08-06-2010, 09:10 PM
CFC: Especially Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th) and Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)????? Why?

Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference? :confused:

John Coleman
08-06-2010, 10:04 PM
Michael, this is entirely unfair. Jack Qian is asking why Joseph Belissimo, who did not play in the CYCC, is on the Canadian team for Greece. Either CYCC is the qualifying tournament, or it isn't. Not withstanding Joseph's skill at chess, if he didn't play in the qualifying tournament, why was he selected?

The same question could be asked about three other "additional players", who did not meet the qualifying standard. Why were they selected?

Jack Qian's skill level is irrelevant.

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:29 PM
Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference? :confused:

Michael, don't angry. take it easy. We just talk about event, not toward you

High rating doesn't means skill is high. Some high rating players play more tournament,So his rating is more. In CYCC there are many plays beat high rating player. Michael,Is it true?

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:46 PM
Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference? :confused:

I think this is first time to allow unqualifid player to go to WYCC.
I think many players will imitate it after this year.

jack qian
08-06-2010, 11:51 PM
Michael, this is entirely unfair. Jack Qian is asking why Joseph Belissimo, who did not play in the CYCC, is on the Canadian team for Greece. Either CYCC is the qualifying tournament, or it isn't. Not withstanding Joseph's skill at chess, if he didn't play in the qualifying tournament, why was he selected?

The same question could be asked about three other "additional players", who did not meet the qualifying standard. Why were they selected?

Jack Qian's skill level is irrelevant.



John Coleman, your idea is my idea too.

jack qian
08-07-2010, 10:21 AM
Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference? :confused:

Michael, Don't use finger picture.
I didn't ask you to play at WYCC without through CYCC qualifying event. So don't compare with me .
At least Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th) and Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo both are not qualify to go WYCC. You have to delete them.

Bob Gillanders
08-07-2010, 11:45 AM
No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions... ;)

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach? :confused:

It would seem so. I have promised to investigate.

To Michael and members of the Youth Committee, could you please email me at president@chess.ca the following:

1) The applicable rules concerning who is invited to the WYCC,
2) What discretionary powers the Youth committee has, and
3) for each invited player, are they invited under 1 or 2.

Thanks.

Andrei Botez
08-07-2010, 06:57 PM
There been 2 names mentioned and they are different cases:

Joseph Bellissimo (Canadian rank for U10: 1st)

The rule si simple and is based on the rules. Mr Bruce Harper made a motion approved by CFC governors some time ago (6-9 years ago), where the highest ranked Canadian in each category can go to WYCC with out going to CYCC, based on the fact that he/she will pay for the spot as any additional players.
The first player (maybe the only one ?!) to take advantage of this rule was Valentina Goutor (BC).


The second name on your list is John Doknjas, and my guess is that is based on a precedence. I know at least 2 cases where one of the siblings won a qualifier spot and another one did not. CFC always allowed the not qualified sibling to join the team.

I hope this is answering your questions.

Andrei

jack qian
08-07-2010, 09:13 PM
There been 2 names mentioned and they are different cases:

Joseph Bellissimo (Canadian rank for U10: 1st)

The rule si simple and is based on the rules. Mr Bruce Harper made a motion approved by CFC governors some time ago (6-9 years ago), where the highest ranked Canadian in each category can go to WYCC with out going to CYCC, based on the fact that he/she will pay for the spot as any additional players.
The first player (maybe the only one ?!) to take advantage of this rule was Valentina Goutor (BC).


The second name on your list is John Doknjas, and my guess is that is based on a precedence. I know at least 2 cases where one of the siblings won a qualifier spot and another one did not. CFC always allowed the not qualified sibling to join the team.

I hope this is answering your questions.

Andrei

This is unfair to every player who go to play at CYCC.

1.Sibling can not have any benefit. Because it is unfair to top of this sibling at CYCC.
2. Some low rating player can beat high rating player at CYCC.This is also unfair to those low rating player who can beat high rating player at CYCC.
Player want to go to WYCC only select from CYCC, absolute.
So Andrei, you are wrong.

John Coleman
08-07-2010, 09:27 PM
Thank you, Andrei, for your polite reply. Much better than Michael Barron's bullying.

The regulation to which you refer is not in the Handbook, for some reason. The motion is from http://www.chess.ca/Gls/04-05GL1.pdf

20 Motion 2004-03 Stockhausen/Spraggett: Changes to CFC Handbook
20.1 Amendment of Article 1012, “Participation in the WYCC”
20.1.1 Deletion of Sections (d) and (e) - Van Dusen/Smith PASSED 40
20.1.2 Amendment of Section (c) to read as follows: ‘The top rated player in each category, selected according with the rating guidelines set out in Article 1005, provided the player has played at least 20 CFC regular rated games since the previous year’s CYCC may request an exemption from the CFC Executive.” - Thorvardson/Dénomée PASSED

Article 1005 seems to have disappeared from the handbook, so it is not clear if this motion is still valid. This may be why it was not included in the extensive Handbook update done by Maurice Smith.

Note also the explanation/clarification from GL2, "Only the top-rated player in each age / gender group category may participate in the WYCC in a given year, at their own expense, after HAVING NOT taken part in the CYCC that year. (It had been the top two players allowed to go to WYCC at their own expense, after HAVING NOT taken part in the CYCC that year.) This change was made to emphasize the importance of the CYCC, and to encourage the top players to take part in it, enabling other players to be able to meet those top players in competition."

If Joseph Belissimo applied to the CFC executive, how come Bob G. doesn't know about it? The Youth Committee has no "power" as far as I understand, but is purely advisory.

Peng and Doknjas presumably entered under the "siblings" tradition. I don't think anyone seriously quarrels with this custom, some chess families put an enormous amount of time and money into chess.

David Itkin placed 4th at CYCC. It is not clear why he is included on the Canadian team.

Christopher Mallon
08-07-2010, 09:52 PM
It's not there anymore because the CYCC rules have been updated since then.

John Coleman
08-07-2010, 10:43 PM
Hi Chris

So, the motion I referenced has been superceded? I wondered about that, I know Maurice went back thru all the GLs to update the handbook. It seems as if Joseph B. should not have been included on the Canadian team. Is that correct?

John

Bob Gillanders
08-08-2010, 08:05 PM
Thank you Andrei and John for your comments and explanations regarding invitations for additional players to WYCC.

I just had a lengthy phone conversation with Michael Barron on the subject. The criteria employed for additional players are:

1. Finish 2nd or 3rd at CYCC,
2. Highest rated player (Joe Bellissimo) - as explained by Andrei
3. Sibling exception (John Doknjas, Janet Peng) - as explained by Andrei
4. At the discretion of CFC Executive (/Youth committee)

I can see that #4 maybe controversal. Indeed, I believe Michael's post did leave the impression that the committee was taking undue liberties with their discretionary powers. I conveyed that message to Michael, and he was surprised that his words had been intrepreted as such. He regrets not having chosen his words more carefully. Michael assures me that exceptions are granted only in rare cases. After our discussion, I am satisfied that that is the case.

Jack, I hope you find these answers satisfactory. Unfortunately it is very difficult to write rules appropriate for every situation. You are certainly a talented young player with lots of opportunity to make future WYCC's. Best of luck in your games.

Michael Barron
08-08-2010, 08:57 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

I would like to clarify the Head of Delegation selection process:
- The decision is made solely by the Chess Federation of Canada;
- Input from parents of this year’s team members is taken into account, but it is not a democratic vote among parents;
- Selection criteria include:

Proven experience in performing this or similar roles in the past;
Demonstrated attitude and behaviour in the best interests of the team and all of its members;
Available time and commitment to not just look after their own children;
Demonstrated leadership skills;
Demonstrated oral and written communication skills;
Demonstrated interpersonal / diplomacy / advocacy / negotiation / conflict resolution skills;
Demonstrated planning and organization skills;
Basic knowledge of chess tournament rules that may arise in disputes, e.g. pausing the clock, draw offers, how to properly claim 3-times repetition, etc.


I would like to make sure that everyone who wants be the Head of Delegation understands the selection process.

Please let me know if somebody else is willing to volunteer for this position, so, we can pick the best person.

Dear Chess Friends,

Time is running quickly, and we have to select Head of Delegation.

I would like to thank Xuekun Xing for volunteering for this important for the entire delegation position.
The more volunteers are willing to help - the better!

After due consideration of the candidates according to the posted criteria, the CFC Youth Committee has determined that Andrei Botez best meets those criteria, and has re-confirmed the selection of Andrei as Head of Delegation. Andrei has re-confirmed his acceptance.
We would encourage all parents, and especially those who might be interested in fulfilling team roles in the future, to observe and assist Andrei and Vlad, and to help build a positive team spirit.

Good luck at the WYCC!

jack qian
08-08-2010, 10:24 PM
Thank you Andrei and John for your comments and explanations regarding invitations for additional players to WYCC.

I just had a lengthy phone conversation with Michael Barron on the subject. The criteria employed for additional players are:

1. Finish 2nd or 3rd at CYCC,
2. Highest rated player (Joe Bellissimo) - as explained by Andrei
3. Sibling exception (John Doknjas, Janet Peng) - as explained by Andrei
4. At the discretion of CFC Executive (/Youth committee)

I can see that #4 maybe controversal. Indeed, I believe Michael's post did leave the impression that the committee was taking undue liberties with their discretionary powers. I conveyed that message to Michael, and he was surprised that his words had been intrepreted as such. He regrets not having chosen his words more carefully. Michael assures me that exceptions are granted only in rare cases. After our discussion, I am satisfied that that is the case.

Jack, I hope you find these answers satisfactory. Unfortunately it is very difficult to write rules appropriate for every situation. You are certainly a talented young player with lots of opportunity to make future WYCC's. Best of luck in your games.

Sorry, I don't know some special rules for WYCC, I always think only 2nd or 3rd at CYCC will represent canada as additional player for WYCC. But #4 is a difficult judgement. It is not so good.
I suggest that 4th, 5th at CYCC can go replace 2nd or 3rd for WYCC if 2nd or 3rd don't go.
That means canada keep two additional players every section.

Larry Bevand
08-09-2010, 02:33 PM
Sorry, I don't know some special rules for WYCC, I always think only 2nd or 3rd at CYCC will represent canada as additional player for WYCC. But #4 is a difficult judgement. It is not so good.
I suggest that 4th, 5th at CYCC can go replace 2nd or 3rd for WYCC if 2nd or 3rd don't go.
That means canada keep two additional players every section.

Hi Jack,

Canada (the CFC) can send as many players as they want.

The host Federation pays for 1 player per section per country. Each country has rules to determine who will represent that country. For the host country...more players means more dollars...tis very simple...

I have seen situations where a parent went directly to the host country (bypassing the National Federation and FIDE) saying hey...I want my youngster to play at the WYCC...and I am willing to pay...

So the solution is simple Jack.....speak on the phone with the powers to be...and...you will get what you want...talking in public only reduces your chances...

Me bad :(

Larry

Andrei Botez
08-09-2010, 02:56 PM
I have seen situations where a parent went directly to the host country (bypassing the National Federation and FIDE) saying hey...I want my youngster to play at the WYCC...and I am willing to pay...
Larry


Hi Larry,

Just as a learning experience, can you tell us more about this cases/situations?

Thanks
Andrei

Larry Bevand
08-09-2010, 03:23 PM
Hi Larry,

Just as a learning experience, can you tell us more about this cases/situations?

Thanks
Andrei

What would you like to know?

I am not going to give you names if that is what you are looking for.

Basically they were parents who took things into their own hands because it was important to them.

In the old days...each country was allowed to send 1 player to the World event except if your country placed in the top 3 in the previous year...in which case that country could send a second player (the exact rule I do not remember but it was close to this).

At some point FIDE realized that it was stupid to make qualification so difficult when there were so many people willing to pay their own way to play. Hence the eligibility was expanded...all to the benefit of FIDE and the organizers...and to National Federations who did things in a "smart" fashion.

Canada did things in a "smart" fashion.

If Canada wanted to send 10 players in each section, to the world event they could do so...provided they pay their own way (except for the designated player who gets free lodging and meals supplied by the organizers).

Andrei, you are familiar with the United States Chess Federation much more than most of us...how do they qualify players to the WYCC and who pays for what?

Larry

John Coleman
08-09-2010, 03:52 PM
Andrei, you are familiar with the United States Chess Federation much more than most of us...how do they qualify players to the WYCC and who pays for what? From the USCF website http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8335/319/

"The top players by rating in each age category are considered the official representatives. The delegation to the 2007 World Youth in Antalya, Turkey, included thirty-three players plus family and coaches for a total of seventy-three persons.

Players may qualify to represent the United States by being established as one of the three highest rated candidates by peak post-tournament rating in the previous 12 months ending with events included in the April Rating Supplement. They may also qualify by being within 50 rating points or less from the third qualifying spot. A player may also qualify by personal right by achieving a medal at the World Youth in the previous year or by achieving a Gold Medal at the previous Pan American Youth Festival."

I don't know if they have changed the regulations since then. JC

Fred McKim
08-09-2010, 05:00 PM
This is much more liberal than our rules. It appears they don't have a US YCC.

Larry Bevand
08-09-2010, 06:17 PM
This is much more liberal than our rules. It appears they don't have a US YCC.

It is, the USCF has not adapted to the new reality...Canada...thanks to Les Bunning and Joshua Keshet...have loggged on immediatly :)

Larry

Fred McKim
08-09-2010, 06:28 PM
I'm not sure what you're saying Larry. My point was that according to the information given, many more Americans are eligible than Canadians.

As you know the format as it is was to ensure the winners could have their air fares covered. If not for the CYCC, we probably wouldn't have more than 3 or players per year.

When was the last time the winner of the Canadian U20 Girls champion played - probably never -as we don't have an event to raise some of the money.

Unfortunately, as Treasurer, I can predict the CYCC program will be operating at a break-even status, until National sponsers are found, at which time we could perhaps design another formats.

jack qian
08-09-2010, 10:48 PM
This is much more liberal than our rules. It appears they don't have a US YCC.

It seems better CFC select any player what they like to WYCC.

Kerry Liles
08-09-2010, 11:10 PM
It seems better CFC select any player what they like to WYCC.

It doesn't seem to me that the CFC picked any players - some very small subset of the CFC picked some players... It is a shame that the process isn't more transparent - maybe the rules have to be made simple and clear and absolute.

Andrei Botez
08-10-2010, 01:26 PM
It is, the USCF has not adapted to the new reality...Canada...thanks to Les Bunning and Joshua Keshet...have loggged on immediatly :)

Larry

http://main.uschess.org/content/view/10431/588

As far as the process is clear:
Players may qualify to represent the United States by being established as one of the three highest rated candidates by peak post-tournament rating in the previous 12 months ending with events included in the April Rating Supplement. They may also qualify by being within 50 rating points or less from the third qualifying spot. A player may also qualify by personal right by achieving a medal at the World Youth in the previous year or by achieving a Gold Medal at the previous Pan American Youth Festival.


There are some extra little things like: 50 points are added to the FIDE rating (in case the FIDE rating is higher than USCF).

Using the rating to decide is a great advantage for the kids in the states where are many members and their ratings are in general higher than others. This is similar, in my opinion, with Canadian case of ON vs. the rest of provinces. The fact that a player can qualify to WYCC without playing in a certain tournament (when maybe he was sick or in a bad form) like YCC, looks like an advantage for US system, on the other hand, if one player needs some number of rating points to qualify for "invited player" position or just as an extra player, is easier to play in a local "friendlier" tournaments and gain all the points needed.


Andrei

Patrick McDonald
08-10-2010, 07:20 PM
Hmmm ... Michael, I thought you had me on the youth committee ... I don't remember any such consultation "with the youth committee" on any of these "exceptions".

As to history, yes there were in my memory, one or two such sibling "exceptions" where a player finished in perhaps 4th place and his/her brother/sister finished in the top 3 and they were allowed to go. ... in the last case I was involved in, the one that missed the qualification was asked to help out the rest of the team and thereby go as an "assistant coach" ... Unfortunately, I don't believe that he did help out with the younger players much but ....

Patrick McDonald
08-10-2010, 09:58 PM
Dear Chess Friends,

Time is running quickly, and we have to select Head of Delegation.

I would like to thank Xuekun Xing for volunteering for this important for the entire delegation position.
The more volunteers are willing to help - the better!

After due consideration of the candidates according to the posted criteria, the CFC Youth Committee has determined that Andrei Botez best meets those criteria, and has re-confirmed the selection of Andrei as Head of Delegation. Andrei has re-confirmed his acceptance.
We would encourage all parents, and especially those who might be interested in fulfilling team roles in the future, to observe and assist Andrei and Vlad, and to help build a positive team spirit.

Good luck at the WYCC!

Michael,
Again you say "the CFC Youth Committee has determined" ... I am sure that you asked me to sit on this youth committee, yet I never heard anyone asking me my opinion ??

jack qian
08-10-2010, 10:30 PM
Hi Jack,

Canada (the CFC) can send as many players as they want.

The host Federation pays for 1 player per section per country. Each country has rules to determine who will represent that country. For the host country...more players means more dollars...tis very simple...

I have seen situations where a parent went directly to the host country (bypassing the National Federation and FIDE) saying hey...I want my youngster to play at the WYCC...and I am willing to pay...

So the solution is simple Jack.....speak on the phone with the powers to be...and...you will get what you want...talking in public only reduces your chances...

Me bad :(

Larry

WYCC is far away. My skill is not meet. WYCC,bye

jack qian
08-11-2010, 10:58 AM
Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

based on Andrei's Canadian Youth Team blog , update Boys u-12 Mark Plotkin(tie 9th)

Michael Barron
08-15-2010, 11:02 PM
based on Andrei's Canadian Youth Team blog , update Boys u-12 Mark Plotkin(tie 9th)

Thank you, Jack!

Last week I was busy preparing necessary registration documents and didn't have a chance to post an updated list here.

Indeed, Mark Plotkin joined the team, and Catherine Gao, unfortunately, unable to go.

So, the updated Canadian WYCC delegation list is:

The official Canadian representatives:

Boys u-18 Aman Hambleton
Boys u-16 Roman Sapozhnikov
Boys u-14 Tanraj S. Sohal
Boys u-12 Guannan Terry Song
Boys u-10 Yuan Chen Zhang
Boys u-08 Joshua Doknjas
Girls u-18 Marguerite Fan Yang
Girls u-16 Alexandra Botez
Girls u-14 Regina-Veronicka Kalaydina
Girls u-12 Jackie Peng
Girls u-10 Kelly Wang
Girls u-08 Andrea Botez

Additional players:

Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman
Boys u-14 David Itkin
Boys u-12 Edward Song
Boys u-12 Mark Plotkin
Boys u-12 John Doknjas
Boys u-10 Jason Cao
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon
Girls u-10 Minya Bai
Girls u-10 Janet Peng
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov

Valer Eugen Demian
08-18-2010, 10:38 AM
Personal thoughts coming a bit late after a much needed vacation:

1. In general a player should play only in tournaments it qualifies for; if this is not the norm, the entire qualification system from the grassroots to CYCC (or any other national tournament) means very little. From this point of view I think allowing players to join team Canada at WYCC without even playing at CYCC is a mistake. Yes, I know there are special rules in place, but they should be used only under exceptional circumstances. BTW I would expect the Youth Committee to know if such circumstances are invoked, analyse and propose a decision to the Executive.

P.S. The highest CFC rated player for an age category is not an exceptional circumstance in my opinion.

2. I know it is good to give players a chance to represent Canada on the international stage. As long as these players are willing to pay their own expenses and at least have played at the nationals, I see no problem with that. There are several important international tournaments where Canada has absolutely no players willing or capable to go and that is not a better alternative!

Ellen Nadeau
08-19-2010, 09:13 AM
There was no consultation as far as I know concerning allowing players to go to WYCC who did not participate in the CYCC or who ranked much lower than third place.

Michael Barron
08-20-2010, 09:19 PM
There was no consultation as far as I know concerning allowing players to go to WYCC who did not participate in the CYCC or who ranked much lower than third place.

Ellen,

All consultations took place on the Youth Committee private forum.

You could subscribe to this forum to get email notification, if something new is posted on it.

Thank you for your participation!

Bob Gillanders
08-21-2010, 12:49 AM
Michael, could you get me access to the Youth Committee private forum, please? :)

Michael Barron
08-21-2010, 11:29 PM
Michael, could you get me access to the Youth Committee private forum, please? :)

Sure, Bob - it's my pleasure to have you as a Youth Committee member! :)

Chris,
Could you please grant Bob Gillanders access to the Youth Committee private forum?

Eric Hansen
08-25-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow, I didn't know there was this #4 rule. In 2009, after I finished top 5 at WYCC in 2008, I was still denied skipping CYCC when I requested it because something came up. I was already top 10 for Adults overall in Canada and was the favourite at the CYCC but the CFC was very strict on "following procedures". If it goes by a case by case basis, hard to think of anyone else who would have been a stronger candidate than myself after that perf. I even played every CYCC since 2005. It ended up causing a lot of inconvenience...

jack qian
08-27-2010, 10:39 AM
Wow, I didn't know there was this #4 rule. In 2009, after I finished top 5 at WYCC in 2008, I was still denied skipping CYCC when I requested it because something came up. I was already top 10 for Adults overall in Canada and was the favourite at the CYCC but the CFC was very strict on "following procedures". If it goes by a case by case basis, hard to think of anyone else who would have been a stronger candidate than myself after that perf. I even played every CYCC since 2005. It ended up causing a lot of inconvenience...

Anyone who have money can go to WYCC right now.

Fred McKim
08-27-2010, 10:50 AM
The Youth Committee are working on regulatations that will be published in the CFC Handbook, and in place for 2011.

I'm sure that Michael Barron, Chairman of the Committee is open to listen to suggestions that are posted here are sent to him privately.

Michael Barron
08-27-2010, 10:45 PM
The Youth Committee are working on regulatations that will be published in the CFC Handbook, and in place for 2011.

I'm sure that Michael Barron, Chairman of the Committee is open to listen to suggestions that are posted here are sent to him privately.

Yes, I am... :)

jack qian
08-28-2010, 03:12 AM
Yes, I am... :)
Is it public to outside?

jack qian
08-28-2010, 09:16 AM
Yes, I am... :)

How about this year's canada team for WYCC?
Is it means except this year ? Is it fair?

Michael Barron
08-28-2010, 10:19 PM
How about this year's canada team for WYCC?
Is it means except this year ? Is it fair?

No, it means including this year.
Yes, it is fair.

Victor Itkin
08-29-2010, 12:57 AM
Hello everybody,

I am posting for the first time at the forum.
Just few personal thoughts about WYCC regulations to be improved:

1. I support the idea that the regulations should be transparent and open to the public;
2. I am not sure, where the number "3" is coming from? As far as I know, there is no limits put by the WYCC organizers for the number of players from one country. Last year there were more than 10 players from Russia and Turkey (each) participating in some of the age groups. If so, why our National Federation should put such a limit? As more stronger players from Canada will participate at WYCC, as better for Canadian chess.
If the player has possibility to participate using his own funds, why to stop him? I understand that some regulations still should be made by CFC, for example:
a) to avoid poor players to participate, the minimum rating for each category should be set (for example, not less than 2200 for U16 open);
b) all players willing to participate at WYCC should be obliged to play at CYCC, to be a CFC members and to pay the anual membership fees;
c) may be something else.

It is especially important to bring more players from Canada to WYCC for the youngest categories: U8 and U10. This may help to significantly raise the level of chess in Canada at the nearest future.

There were some good ideas about sponsorships posted here recently. But we should not forget that the first sponsors for the young players could be their parents.

Thank you,

Victor Itkine.

jack qian
08-29-2010, 11:46 AM
Hello everybody,

I am posting for the first time at the forum.
Just few personal thoughts about WYCC regulations to be improved:

1. I support the idea that the regulations should be transparent and open to the public;
2. I am not sure, where the number "3" is coming from? As far as I know, there is no limits put by the WYCC organizers for the number of players from one country. Last year there were more than 10 players from Russia and Turkey (each) participating in some of the age groups. If so, why our National Federation should put such a limit? As more stronger players from Canada will participate at WYCC, as better for Canadian chess.
If the player has possibility to participate using his own funds, why to stop him? I understand that some regulations still should be made by CFC, for example:
a) to avoid poor players to participate, the minimum rating for each category should be set (for example, not less than 2200 for U16 open);
b) all players willing to participate at WYCC should be obliged to play at CYCC, to be a CFC members and to pay the anual membership fees;
c) may be something else.

It is especially important to bring more players from Canada to WYCC for the youngest categories: U8 and U10. This may help to significantly raise the level of chess in Canada at the nearest future.

There were some good ideas about sponsorships posted here recently. But we should not forget that the first sponsors for the young players could be their parents.

Thank you,

Victor Itkine.
I agree that more players participate WYCC accorging to their performance rating. I think performance rating is more real(not their rating).Because some plays participate less tournament than others.So their rating is low.
Otherwise all top 6 in U10,12,14 16 open section and top 3 in another section will be allowed to go WYCC.