Olympiad Selection Rating List (Final) - Women

[Ilia Bluvshtein]

These Ratings will be used to select the three highest rated players for the Women's Olympic team.

Players Title FIDE Canadian Average Games Eligibility Placement Why Not Eligible
Yuan Yuanling WM 2205 2324 2265 >20 Yes 1
Khoudgarian Natalia WM 2137 2252 2195 3 No 2 Not enough games
Kagramanov Dina WM 2123 2218 2171 17 Already Qualified N/A
Starr Nava WM 2175 2116 2146 6 No 3 Not enough games
Charest Johanne WM 2088 2111 2100 No 4 Not enough games
Khaziyeva Dinara WM 2111 2085 2098 No 5 Not enough games
Kazakevich Anastasia 2049 2142 2096 2 No 6 Not enough games
Benggawan Amanda 2062 2064 2063 No 7 Not enough games
Lacau-Rodean Iulia 2044 2081 2063 16 Yes 8
Barron Irina 2043 2063 2053 No 9 Not enough games
Belc Daniela WFM 2053 2052 2053 No 10 Not enough games
Smith Hazel WF 2037 2051 2044 No 11 Not enough games
Orlova Yelizaveta 1907 2017 1962 >20 Yes 12
Kagramanov Dalia 1868 2012 1940 >20 Yes 13
Du Jasmine 1885 1973 1929 >20 Yes 14
Botez Alexandra WCM 1930 1906 1918 >20 Yes 15
Xiong Sonya 1890 1933 1912 >20 Yes 16
Kalaydina Regina 1868 1925 1897 >20 Yes 17

[Bob Armstrong]

Posted on ChessTalk:

March 17, 2010, 06:00 PM
David Cohen

Olympiad selection lists

I think the CFC jumped the gun naming the selection lists on its Forum web site. Its own rules (according to CFC Handbook, Section 12, on the CFC's web site - http://www.chess.ca/section_12.shtml) state that the period for eligible minimum number of games (10) goes for 180 days before the start of the Olympiad. That means games played until Monday, March 22 should count.

So, by posting the "FINAL" list too soon, some players are denied a chance to qualify. Once again, the CFC is ... breaking its own rules? misinterpreting its own rules? interpreting its rules as is convenient?

David

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

These Ratings will be used to select the three highest rated players for the Women's Olympic team.

Players              Ti FIDE CFCR Avrg Gam Eli P Why Not Eligible
Yuan Yuanling        WM 2205 2324 2265 >20  Yes 1
Khoudgarian Natalia  WM 2137 2252 2195   3   No 2 Not enough games
Kagramanov Dina      WM 2123 2218 2171  17 Already Qualified N/A
Starr Nava           WM 2175 2116 2146   6   No 3 Not enough games
Charest Johanne      WM 2088 2111 2100       No 4 Not enough games
Khaziyeva Dinara     WM 2111 2085 2098       No 5 Not enough games
Kazakevich Anastasia    2049 2142 2096   2   No 6 Not enough games
Benggawan Amanda        2062 2064 2063       No 7 Not enough games
Lacau-Rodean Iulia      2044 2081 2063  16  Yes 8
Barron Irina            2043 2063 2053       No 9 Not enough games
Belc Daniela        WFM 2053 2052 2053       No 10 Not enough games
Smith Hazel         WFM 2037 2051 2044       No 11 Not enough games
Orlova Yelizaveta       1907 2017 1962 >20  Yes 12
Kagramanov Dalia        1868 2012 1940 >20  Yes 13
Du Jasmine              1885 1973 1929 >20  Yes 14
Botez Alexandra     WCM 1930 1906 1918 >20  Yes 15
Xiong Sonya             1890 1933 1912 >20  Yes 16
Kalaydina Regina        1868 1925 1897 >20  Yes 17

[Ilia Bluvshtein]

[QUOTE=Bob Armstrong]Posted on ChessTalk:

March 17, 2010, 06:00 PM
David Cohen

Olympiad selection lists

I think the CFC jumped the gun naming the selection lists on its Forum web site. Its own rules (according to CFC Handbook, Section 12, on the CFC's web site - http://www.chess.ca/section_12.shtml) state that the period for eligible minimum number of games (10) goes for 180 days before the start of the Olympiad. That means games played until Monday, March 22 should count.

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Games are not counted until they are rated. Next CFC rating calculation will be next Wednesday, March 24, less than 180 days before the Olympiad.

[Bob Armstrong]

Posted on ChessTalk in reply to Ilia:

March 18, 2010, 07:42 AM
David Cohen

Re: Olympiad selection lists - CFC is wrong

Ilia,

So you are going to use laziness as your excuse? The rules say that games count if they are played more than 180 days before the Olympiad. That means all games played through Monday, March 22 count. You should use the March 24 rating list, and eliminate games from March 23 & 24 by hand.

David

[John Coleman]

What I find remarkable is that 9 of the top 12 women haven't played much CFC-rated chess. Six of them haven't played any CFC-rated chess at all.

[Alex Ferreira]

Hi,

Maybe I am too demanding as a fan. I do follow the Olympiads and Canada's games before Topalov, Kramnik, Ivanchuk, Carlsen.
But... this has been puzzling me for a while. I don't understand how CFC set a minimum of 10 games to qualify for Olympiad.
Isn't this kind of a big deal? Represent Canada, most professional players, some paid expenses, etc...? Are these 10 games over the course of a year, or just in 2010, or since the last Olympiad? How are 10 games indicative of... anything? 10 games could be as little as one , long tournament (which in Canada is extremely rare or even non-existent, but I've seen / heard of 11 rounds foreign tournaments regularly). Do these 10 games have to be played against adequate competition? To me it seems logical that the best (and highest rated) players should go, but I'd consider activity important too.
Incidentally, the Olympiad has more rounds than games required to qualify to play in it.
Also, how does Canada's selection process compare with other countries?

Alex F.

[Alex Ferreira]

Just wanted to clarify that... my comments apply for both men and women, not just women, even if the response ended up on this thread.

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Alex:

The 10 games have to be played within the year , 6 months prior to the Olympiad. The details were:

Olympiad starts September 19, 2010
Highest ratings starting March 19, 2009
March 19, 2010 is the termination date for playing required games.

It seems to me to be a pretty minimum activity criteria. If you really want to play for the team, it's easy to get the 10 games in.

Bob

[Christopher Mallon]

It's partly to discourage people from simply "sitting" on a rating that's good enough to get them qualified. It was also originally proposed to be 10 rated games in Canada to encourage local participation and support our tournaments, but certain people managed to get that watered down.

I personally argued for a much greater number of games. Initially I wanted 25, if I recall correctly. That's still only 5 weekend events, or three major ones, in the space of a year, not unreasonable in my opinion.

I also suggested that at least half of the games had to be played in Canada, whatever the final number ended up being.