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    Default 5.1 Junior chess issues and participation in world events like WYCC/WCCC/U16 Olympiad

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    Do we have CFC Youth Committee?
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    Was there one before?

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    There has been a bit of a reset with a new youth coordinator but I have noticed that there is a great deal of consultation with a group of parents. Parents are more involved though I don't see a formal youth committee, yet.

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    I am not sure that there is a need for a youth committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Craft View Post
    I am not sure that there is a need for a youth committee.
    Given that the work that needs to be done is getting done, I tend to agree but I am open minded on the idea.

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    The point of this agenda item is that a significant amount of executive time is absorbed by the youth portfolio. With the WYCC split into two tournaments our expenses have gone up significantly (and perhaps we need to revisit the criteria for deciding who gets to go to such youth events). Last year we got off pretty easy on fees for coaches but this year after six months our coach costs are almost $9000 higher than last year $13,910 for six months vs. $4,980 for all of last year). Our HOD (head of delegation) costs are up because we are sending two delegations rather than one and on and on. Adding five or six extra players more than doubles our costs because in theory the first coach gets his room and board paid for as a FIDE trainer or instructor while the second coach we have to pay for. Unfortunately having 15 players at each event requires two coaches whereas in the past we could have gotten away with three for the thirty players.

    This is not a big deal where we have large CYCC's but can be a problem if we ever have an off year. We need to reign in costs to keep this sustainable over the long term. We probably need to ask extra players to pay more of their incremental costs or perhaps scale back on the support we give extra players who did not finish in the top three at CYCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    The point of this agenda item is that a significant amount of executive time is absorbed by the youth portfolio. With the WYCC split into two tournaments our expenses have gone up significantly (and perhaps we need to revisit the criteria for deciding who gets to go to such youth events). Last year we got off pretty easy on fees for coaches but this year after six months our coach costs are almost $9000 higher than last year $13,910 for six months vs. $4,980 for all of last year). Our HOD (head of delegation) costs are up because we are sending two delegations rather than one and on and on. Adding five or six extra players more than doubles our costs because in theory the first coach gets his room and board paid for as a FIDE trainer or instructor while the second coach we have to pay for. Unfortunately having 15 players at each event requires two coaches whereas in the past we could have gotten away with three for the thirty players.

    This is not a big deal where we have large CYCC's but can be a problem if we ever have an off year. We need to reign in costs to keep this sustainable over the long term. We probably need to ask extra players to pay more of their incremental costs or perhaps scale back on the support we give extra players who did not finish in the top three at CYCC.
    In a simplified sense, with WYCC split into two, it should at most doubled our cost. Why did it jump to $13,910 from $4,980 - 2.8 times?

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    Exclamation Yes, we need CFC Youth Committee!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    The point of this agenda item is that a significant amount of executive time is absorbed by the youth portfolio.
    The point of the Youth Committee is exactly that - free executive time by taking care of the youth portfolio.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    With the WYCC split into two tournaments our expenses have gone up significantly (and perhaps we need to revisit the criteria for deciding who gets to go to such youth events). Last year we got off pretty easy on fees for coaches but this year after six months our coach costs are almost $9000 higher than last year $13,910 for six months vs. $4,980 for all of last year). Our HOD (head of delegation) costs are up because we are sending two delegations rather than one and on and on. Adding five or six extra players more than doubles our costs because in theory the first coach gets his room and board paid for as a FIDE trainer or instructor while the second coach we have to pay for. Unfortunately having 15 players at each event requires two coaches whereas in the past we could have gotten away with three for the thirty players.

    This is not a big deal where we have large CYCC's but can be a problem if we ever have an off year. We need to reign in costs to keep this sustainable over the long term. We probably need to ask extra players to pay more of their incremental costs or perhaps scale back on the support we give extra players who did not finish in the top three at CYCC.
    All these topics should be discussed by the Youth Committee, which could submit their decisions in the form of Motions to be voted at this Meeting.
    As it stands now - we're simply unprepared to make any informed decision on these important topics.

    And to answer Michael's question:
    Yes, we had active Youth Committee in 2009-2011, when it discussed and prepared practically all youth regulations that we use now:
    starting with qualification rules for CYCC and including Canadian representatives selection for International events.
    Details could be found in Governor's Meetings minutes.
    Thanks,
    Michael Barron

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    Yes, we had active Youth Committee in 2009-2011, when it discussed and prepared practically all youth regulations that we use now:
    starting with qualification rules for CYCC and including Canadian representatives selection for International events.
    Details could be found in Governor's Meetings minutes.
    Thank you Michael for explaining.

    Why wasn't there a Youth Committee after 2011?

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