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    Default 10. Other business

    Members are welcome to post items of new business here. Please note that while non-agenda items are most welcome, because posting is welcome in this area throughout the meeting items requiring an Assembly vote for implementation will be held over to the October Quarterly Meeting.

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    Michael Barron asked for elections of a youth committee but it was a day or so late for statutory notification so we can have a discussion about the youth committee here instead.

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    Dear Chess Friends,

    We all know about successful CYCC organized by Windsor team last month.
    Unfortunately, we all know about controversies surrounding this event - suffice to look at ChessTalk threads discussing Official protest regarding playing up decision and alleged Pairing manipulations.

    We could add to this list other issues related to youth chess which were a source of controversies in the recent years:
    Youth Olympiad teams members selection,
    WYCC official representatives selection,
    Pan American YCC official representatives selection,
    North American YCC official representatives selection,
    and so on...

    Even today we know nothing about 2015 Youth Olympiad teams members selection (the event starts in 10 days - August 19) or 2015 WYCC official representatives selection (the deadline for registration is next week).

    Obviously, the main problem here - is a lack of publicly available information and a lack of transparency in decision making process.

    The CFC Youth Committee could solve this problem.

    Thank you for your consideration!
    Thanks,
    Michael Barron

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    Default U16 Olympiad team

    In the case of this year's U16 Olympiad team in Mongolia the team will be

    Zongyang Yu 2323 Montreal
    Diwen Shi 2241 Calgary
    Yinshi Li 2213 North York
    Joey Zhong 2212 Toronto
    Rachel Tao 1788 Windsor

    We picked the highest rated applicants for girls and I believe the boys we took everyone who applied. The team was formed quite late as we didn't have enough players to form a team until after CYCC when some of the parents took to talking among themselves and were able to fill out the team roster.
    Last edited by Vladimir Drkulec; 08-09-2015 at 12:47 PM.

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    I don't see how the existence of a committee could have averted the complaints about this year's CYCC as in one case even the CFC's harshest critics seem to agree that one of the complaints is without merit and the other has received little traction except among our usual critics. The problem I see with a committee which is anything but advisory is that we cannot give them a vote or any governance function without some fundamental adjustments in our rules or structures which would no doubt require a two thirds vote of the voting members and require additional payments to the CRA and might even require the regular members to vote depending on the details of the proposal.

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    I really don't get how such a committee would have, for example, made this year's CYCC more successful. In my humble opinion, and only one person was ONSITE more than I was, the volunteers who were willing to STEP UP and ACTUALLY WORK, made this event a success. This was despite the regular conspiracy theories that somehow return!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aris Marghetis View Post
    I really don't get how such a committee would have, for example, made this year's CYCC more successful.
    Aris,
    Let me reiterate:
    the main problem here - is a lack of publicly available information and a lack of transparency in decision making process.

    CFC Youth Committee could make the information publicly available and decision making process more transparent.

    If you still don't get it, please read the following threads on ChessTalk:
    http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...YCC-organizers
    and
    http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...g-Manipulation

    Don't you think such discussions on ChessTalk harm CYCC impression and your personal reputation?
    Wouldn't it be better, if such issues were discussed by the CFC Youth Committee, rather than on ChessTalk?
    Thanks,
    Michael Barron

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Barron View Post
    Aris,
    Let me reiterate:
    the main problem here - is a lack of publicly available information and a lack of transparency in decision making process.

    CFC Youth Committee could make the information publicly available and decision making process more transparent.
    How exactly can they do that? I don't see how we could possibly be more transparent than we were on both of these threads.

    If you still don't get it, please read the following threads on ChessTalk:
    http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...YCC-organizers
    and
    http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/show...g-Manipulation

    Don't you think such discussions on ChessTalk harm CYCC impression and your personal reputation?
    Even the people that usually criticize the CFC are jumping off the bandwagon on the CYCC Pairing Manipulation thread so fast I can hear legs breaking.

    Wouldn't it be better, if such issues were discussed by the CFC Youth Committee, rather than on ChessTalk?
    It would be better but I don't see how the existence of a committee would preclude the occasional insanity on Chesstalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    How exactly can they do that? I don't see how we could possibly be more transparent than we were on both of these threads.



    Even the people that usually criticize the CFC are jumping off the bandwagon on the CYCC Pairing Manipulation thread so fast I can hear legs breaking.



    It would be better but I don't see how the existence of a committee would preclude the occasional insanity on Chesstalk.
    Thanks Vlad for replying so well. I fell asleep very early last night.

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    I know on the whole playing up idea Aris, Michael and myself argued against the idea three years ago. It does create a problem for organizers if a large number of players ask to move up a section. At this year's Pan Am and NAYCC, players were allowed to play up changing sections on the last day as well so this decision aligned with FIDE in that respect. The crux of the complaints by a player who was not in the section affected by the decision was that we don't have detailed rules preventing last minute changes. We don't and thus none were applied in this situation. If the posters in question had wanted some action on this they should have sent an email to a governor or even to me or the youth coordinator and ask that this situation be addressed. Instead for reasons of their own they did their best to besot a very successful tournament. Last night I spent half an hour on the phone with the former coach of the player after he spent an hour with one of the CYCC organizers and he (the coach) was very disappointed with the behaviour as are most of the Windsor parents who are aware of this situation.

    I think we need to get away from allowing who is screaming loudest on chesstalk determining what our actions should be on any particular matter.

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