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    As a Voting Member of the Non For Profit National organization I'm entitled to know what exactly were the offers from the two FIDE Presidential campaigns and let me see if they indeed were "deemed equivalent". Please publish them here. Who is responsible for doing it anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Drkulec View Post
    Hello Lyle,

    We have final approval from the federal government. We have transitioned to the new act which means we are governed under the provisions of the NFP act and not the old act. What we still have to do is pass any new bylaws in a way that are compliant with the NFP act.

    Fewer bylaws are required than under the old act as much of the governance provisions previously spelled out in the constitution and bylaws are prescribed and proscribed under the new law (no ex-officio board members being one).
    So as I understand when the Governors have asked you and Hal for the vote on the FIDE's Presidential issue CFC was still governed by the old act. And the Power on the most important issues at that time was in the hands of the Assembly of Governors. Why were they denied to have a real vote, but you've allowed only non binding straw vote? It was their right, and you could not deny them exercising it! Why other executives have not corrected you and Hal?
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    Here is Mr. Belzberg's reply to President's announcement on the Chess Talk.

    Re: CFC and FIDE election FAQ



    it is the belief of the CFC and the Russian authorities under Boris Yeltsin who investigated this thoroughly at the time that it happened that Kirsan had nothing to do with the murder of any journalist. There has been no credible information that contradicts this view despite repeated claims by Kasparov loyalists.

    Vlad thank you for your list of lies that you continue to publish. You really should consider working in the propaganda department for Russia. The Nigel that Spraggett refers to and disagrees with is GM Nigel Short ex challenger for the FIDE Word Chess Championship, Kevin often will post contrarian views on his website and although Kevin and I are very good friends there are many things we disagree on. This being one of them. The other thing I disagree with is Kevin's support of Putin annexing Crimea that he also has written about on his website. Even though Spraggett actually supports the CFC endorsing Kasparov for Canada he is not God or a credible reference on the murder of Larisa Yudina.





    Here is a quote from "Putin's Chess War" article in World Affairs. established in 1837 it is a very prestigious bi monthly journal on US Foreign policy.

    "On June 7, 1998, newspaper editor Larisa Yudina, who investigated corruption in Kalmykia’s government, was murdered in the capital, Elista. One of the people convicted for her murder was Sergei Vaskin, Ilyumzhinov’s childhood friend, campaign manager, and presidential adviser'.


    Another aide of Kirsan was involved in this gruesome murder as well where Mrs Yadinsa was stabbed 22 times. Both aides were convicted and it was widely reported in newspapers world wide at the time. Credible human rights groups have no doubt that Kirsan ordered the murder and the only thing that protected Kirsan from being indicted was the infamously corrupt Yeltsin regime. This case resembles mafia murders where it is very difficult to prove 100% that the boss ordered the killing even though the circumstantial evidence and motivation is overwhelming.

    For Vlad to post such an outrage and state that this is the view of the CFC is an insult to Canadian chess players. This is propoganda put out by a small group of executives at the CFC


    I can understand why Garry Kasparov would like to run against Vladimir Putin as this might increase his chances of winning the FIDE election.
    Gary is absolutely runing against an Putin's agent. Here is another quote from World Affairs.

    "Yet the Kremlin is pulling all the stops to ensure the reelection of Ilyumzhinov and the defeat of Russia’s chess legend Kasparov. National chess federations from Jamaica to Singapore have been contacted by Russian embassy representatives urging support for Ilyumzhinov. Last month, Vladimir Putin personally met with Ilyumzhinov, posing for official photographs. The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine."

    Isn’t the Canadian Government displeased with the CFC over the decision to support Kirsan?

    More to the point is that the Canadian Government has a dim view of Kirsan. The Canadian government correctly stated in the Vice Article that the CFC is an independent organization that is free to do as it sees fit. of course Vlad like's to use this to mislead and try to send the message that the Canadian government supports Kirsan.

    Q. Didn’t a majority of the CFC governors support Kirsan?
    No, only 50% supported Kirasn, after being completely misled by Vlad and Hal Bond. Furthermore one governor has since changed his vote to Kasparov (it was just a straw poll so why not) so actually less then 50% support Kirsan and furthermore only 8 out of 24 supprted actual endorsement. Despite this the CFC went ahead with the endorsement anyways. The reason it was not an actual vote was that just like with the chess talk poll here it was for optics. The reality is that the executive were determined to enodrse Kirsan regardless of chesstalk polls or the governors input. legally by the way under the NFP the only vote the "Governors/voting members" are entitled is at the AGM. The executive has free reign to do as it desires and so it did.
    THe most pathetic part of this is the key advisor was Hal Bond who is frequently employed by FIDE as an arbitor most recently at the Candidates matches in Russia. He has declared himself conflicted out of this but weighed in heavily on the matter. So the CFC embarrasses itself goes against the wishes of the governors/voting members, effectively alienates me as a sponsor and why??? In my opinion it was so that the 5 execs can protect there buddy Hal Bond's job. The FIDE offer of $80,000 worth of tournaments is a ruse they have offered many federations and are known to never follow through with these so called tournaments that they promise.

    The above FAQ is a disgusting display of Vlad's lies. Vlad and his small cadre of executives has sold the integrity of the CFC for a promise of
    sponsorship of $80,000 worth of tournaments in Canada. A well known promise that FIDE has frequently not followed through with with other chess federations.

    . If GK's has such easy access to corporate wealth and sponsors, why could he not find the money for his own match with Shirov?


    That was a different time. The Kasparov Chess foundation that I was a director for many years is endowed by a billionare and is thrivng around the world. One member of Gary's campaign ticket singlehandedly built a huge chess center in St Louis Missouri and is a fund manager with over half a trillion (yes trillion!) dollars worth of assets under management.
    in addition to this Gary has had endorsements for this campaign form Richard Branson and Bono. Of course Vlad ignores this and instead resorts to cheap shots.

    Q. Why should GK be rewarded with the top position in FIDE after all of his attempts to destroy it?

    I couldn't figure that one out myself.


    That does not surprise me. Gary at one time did have a competing organization as he was mistreated by FIDE. Without the current administration running FIDE Gary see's it as a perfectly viable organization.

    Q. You are a liar. You are scum. You are_________(fill in blank).

    Hey one of the very few thing's i have seen Vlad post that i agree with. The first two will do fine i don't need to fill in the blank.


    For those of you that have not seen the Article i already posted from World Affairs "Putin's Chess War" here it is again. of course Vlad states that he knows better. It reminds me of a bumper sticker i once saw "Who needs Google? My wife knows F*cking everything!"


    Putin’s Chess War

    1 July 2014

    MOSCOW — Just as during the Cold War, when sporting competitions between the free world and the Communist camp inevitably acquired a political dimension, big sport is increasingly becoming big politics for Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin. Nowhere can this be seen more clearly than in the ongoing campaign for the presidency of FIDE, the World Chess Federation, that will be decided at the congress in Tromso, Norway, on August 11th.

    Two contenders—both of them Russian—are vying for the position. One is Garry Kasparov, the legendary grandmaster, the 13th world chess champion, and an eight-time winner of the Chess Olympiads. The other is the incumbent, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the former president of Kalmykia, whose 17-year rule over this southern Russian republic was marred by frequent allegations of corruption and abuse of power. On June 7, 1998, newspaper editor Larisa Yudina, who investigated corruption in Kalmykia’s government, was murdered in the capital, Elista. One of the people convicted for her murder was Sergei Vaskin, Ilyumzhinov’s childhood friend, campaign manager, and presidential adviser.

    Given the credentials of the two candidates, the choice should be clear. Yet the Kremlin is pulling all the stops to ensure the reelection of Ilyumzhinov and the defeat of Russia’s chess legend Kasparov. National chess federations from Jamaica to Singapore have been contacted by Russian embassy representatives urging support for Ilyumzhinov. Last month, Vladimir Putin personally met with Ilyumzhinov, posing for official photographs. The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine.

    As the head of a respected international body, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov—a member of Putin’s United Russia party, who has acted as Moscow’s unofficial envoy to Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, and Bashar al-Assad—is an important asset for the Kremlin. His replacement by Garry Kasparov—a longtime opponent of Putin’s regime—would naturally be a major setback. It is to be hoped, however, that the delegates gathering in Tromso next month will be more concerned with the future of world chess than with the political interests of Vladimir Putin.

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    And here is my reply on the Chess Talk.

    1.As an official reason for the Ilyumzhinov's SUPPORT - it was stated that Kasparov's representatives were pushy, etc. This is simply not true. Kasparov's program is clearly much more exiting and credible, he is going to stop all the payments to FIDE from the National Federation, which is a very tangible benefit to CFC and many others. And CFC could benefit also from association with the Kasparov Chess Foundation plus the biggest patron of the Canadian Chess Mr. Sid Belzberg was offering to renew his support of the Canadian Chess. This information was available elsewhere including the Chess Talk. What is Canada gaining by ENDORSING Ilyumzhinov? There are no answers except some noise about $80,000.00 for the 4 tournaments Anybody saw the contract? Between whom? Was a Canadian lawyer involved in preparation of this contract?

    2.So according to Vlad "Canada is supporting Kirsan Ilyumzhinov for FIDE president". I really hope that one day these manipulations will stop once and for all. There is a support and there is an endorsement. I've read all Governors' discussion on the FIDE election issue. Many of them wanted to have an official poll. There were only two people clearly for Ilyumzhinov all the way: Vlad Drkulec and Hal Bond. As you know in January this year Hal Bond told me that he has a conflict of interests due to his arbiter's assignments from the FIDE. Most of the Governors wanted to have a poll, but both Vlad and Hal have skillfully manipulated the process, disclosures about both candidates. It was not even revealed that Mr. Ilyumzhinov in the last few years was trying 3 times was to create different commercial for profit entities with partners (Tarasov, Bessel Kok and Polsson).

    3.Finally after a pressure from some Governors Vlad and Hal have reluctantly agreed to the poll, which they've called at the very last moment non-binding. In any case, for the endorsement of Ilyumzhinov there were only 33,33% of votes! Counting Hal Bond, who has a clear conflict of interest. And in the popular vote here on the Chess Talk Ilyumzhinov had only 1 vote against almost 30 for Kasparov. However the Executives, being ill informed, voted for the ENDORSEMENT. Not for the support, but for the ENDORSEMENT, MAKING CANADA A JOKE AROUND THE WORLD AND CHASING AWAY THE BIGGEST SPONSOR OF CHESS CANADA EVER HAD!

    4.His personal attacks on me and other people I will leave for now. Maybe I'll deal with it at some other time and place.

    The wishes and opinions of the public at large and the Governors were completely disregarded! Is this style of governance acceptable?

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    Hi Lyle,

    Thanks for your comments. It's a busy day for me so I'll not go into detail on all topics you raise but quickly try and answer a few.

    First, when I mentioned the CFC needing input from professionals I did not mean to suggest that it doesn't benefit from the contributors who are already there. I was speaking of additional individuals such as professional fund-raisers.

    I completely agree with you that it is important the federation be truly national and include Quebec. Prior to the current initiatives in Quebec, I was of the mind that the CFC should simply be running CFC events there and those who chose to play and be CFC members could. Now things have changed a little and I would like to see more done.

    I also agree that the CFC needs value added initiatives to attract new members. When I mentioned the banks as an example I was referring to establishing partnerships with several entities. The Stratford Festival has it's own credit card and many national federations have arrangements with insurance companies etc. to give added value to members.

    Regarding the CFC nomination for Kirsan I'm very much of the mind that Hal and Vlad have wanted FIDE to win from day one and some of the strategies implemented clearly seemed be based on quickly getting the endorsement in place. You may be concerned about some of the Kasparov campaign tactics, but at the same time Vlad and others are ignoring the merits of Kasparov and long time wrong doings of Kirsan.

    I don't think anyone at the CFC can feel too proud about the membership dive that's been occurring in recent years and I feel it's time to make many changes aimed at getting the CFC on a rapid upward growth trajectory.

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    Sasha, thank you for presenting what you stand for! Chesstalk is not the official medium for CFC AGMs, so doing it again here is appreciated.

    If anyone is willing to truly stand up for chess in this country, I think having chess recognized as a sport as your first and only item on the agenda plus fighting to make sure it gets done, is imperative! This solves a lot of troubles CFC confronts itself with for many years. You should model CFC after successful national chess federations and you will find that chess as a sport is an important part of their portofolio; no less than 107 countries consider chess as such!

    We have a lot of work to do on our own and there are a lot of qualified people across the country to be successful. I think this should be the focus and not who gets elected as FIDE President. Of course that has its importance too, but not nearly as much.

    GK is a brilliant chess mind. However his failure with the Professional Chess Association and its catastrophic effect on FIDE for years raises flags over his ability to run things of that magnitude. Have you considered that from a strictly business point of view?
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    Valer raises a very good point. Garry made some enemies with the IOC with his calls to boycott the Sochi Winter Olympics. Kirsan has made some promising inroads in this area.

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    I have a question to Vlad (from the Chess Talk), however I need the answer. If Vlad is unwilling/unable to answer, any executive can.
    "Q: With the knowledge that the voting members were highly polarized on the choice between Kirsan and Garry, and the additional knowledge that ordinary CFC members are highly supportive of a vote for Kasparov (your own poll on ChessTalk), why did you decide to cause what you knew would be maximum controversy and divisiveness within the CFC, perhaps to last years to come, by not just voting for Kirsan, but ENDORSING him, when you could have taken a MUCH less divisive path by choosing to abstain in the FIDE election?

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    Sasha, ordinary CFC members are not supportive of Garry based on my talks with them at the Ontario Youth Chess Championship and the recent Guelph Pro Am. It is you and your group of Kasparov supporters which are working to do maximum damage to the CFC and sow division among chess players. Kirsan won the straw poll 12 to 8. He won the executive vote 5-0 no doubt in large part due to your and Sid's chesstalk campaign. If you were the great persuader that you claim to be perhaps your arguments might have been more helpful to Kasparov's cause.

    Why would we abstain when Kirsan won the vote?

    Can someone move these two posts to the thread for the FIDE election. Every thread does not need to be polluted with this nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valer Eugen Demian View Post
    Sasha, thank you for presenting what you stand for! Chesstalk is not the official medium for CFC AGMs, so doing it again here is appreciated.

    If anyone is willing to truly stand up for chess in this country, I think having chess recognized as a sport as your first and only item on the agenda plus fighting to make sure it gets done, is imperative! This solves a lot of troubles CFC confronts itself with for many years. You should model CFC after successful national chess federations and you will find that chess as a sport is an important part of their portofolio; no less than 107 countries consider chess as such!

    We have a lot of work to do on our own and there are a lot of qualified people across the country to be successful. I think this should be the focus and not who gets elected as FIDE President. Of course that has its importance too, but not nearly as much.

    GK is a brilliant chess mind. However his failure with the Professional Chess Association and its catastrophic effect on FIDE for years raises flags over his ability to run things of that magnitude. Have you considered that from a strictly business point of view?
    Yes, agree with you, lets see it from the business point of view. It is very possible that Kasparov could not win a FIDE election after all. And if Canada would not endorse the incumbent and just abstained (preference of the majority of Governors), or even quietly voted for KI, nobody would care about it, after all there are well over 150 countries. So the goodwill of Kasparov Chess Foundation and the biggest sponsor of chess in Canada would not be lost for long time... So there must been a heavy inducement for these 2 people derailing the rules, disregard the wishes and opinions of the majority of the chess players AND that of Governors... And they hope to get away with it!

    If elected I'll start DOING THINGS! Those who would want to create vital and vibrant CFC will work with me from the day ONE! Others will join when will see first results! We'll do it all together!

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