I Like Les. He is a capable person, and can give good legal advice. He did try to come up with a new NFP act for the CFC together with Gordon Ritchie. And if Haldor stopped being tournament director at the RA chess club I don't know what I would do. And I enjoy sharing a drink with him and discussing matters at the bar afterwards.

However I don't equate that to giving them permanent voting rights. We didn't give Jean Chretien a permanent seat in the house of commons even though he was elected Prime Minister 3 times straight.

I put this motion through as stated because I viewed it as the most likely to pass, and I felt that we had to start somewhere. However I do intend to move to ammend it eventually. I just don't intend to fight that battle today.