Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: The FIDE Zero Tolerance Policy

  1. #1

    Default The FIDE Zero Tolerance Policy

    Posted July 5 on the Facebook chess discussion group run by the Cooperative Chess Coalition (CCC), " CCC - Chess Posts of Interest" ( http://www.facebook.com/groups/coope...hesscoalition/ ):

    CCC 7th of the Month Chess Reform Series – FIDE Zero Tolerance Policy(posted on July 5, early, due to scheduling conflicts)

    " In the Judeo-Christian tradition, God rested on the seventh day. However, the Cooperative Chess Coalition ( CCC ) has chosen the 7th day of each month to explore " chess reform "! CCC is pleased to present the next in its series of " 7th of the month possible chess reform issues ( either at the international FIDE level, or at various national federation levels )" The views expressed in these articles by members of the CCC, or the public, are not the views, at least not yet, of the CCC itself. CCC is simply hosting the debate.

    CCC Discusses Chess Reform

    The CCC invites all “ Likes “ to respond to this issue, either “ for “ or “ against “, and if possible, give some reasons for your views!

    CCC also invites all “ Likes “ to submit to CCC ideas for possible chess reform actions ( with some argument for it if possible ). CCC will work with you to develop a post for this CCC discussion board.

    The FIDE Zero Tolerance Rule
    [by CCC Member, Bob Armstrong (Canada)]

    FIDE has adopted as a standard for its tournaments that a player forfeits the game if they are late AT ALL – thus the “ no tolerance “ name. Many argue that this is excessively strict and totally unnecessary. “ Being late does not bring the game of chess into disrepute. “, many players claim. It should be the choice of the player, since he does suffer a penalty under the old “ one-hour forfeit “ rule – to the extent he is late, he loses that time, and gives his opponent a substantial advantage. He has to play better than his opponent, while at the same time having to play faster. And if he overstepped the one hour limit, he forfeits his game and rating points. This is sufficient penalty. Also, the opponent is not really disrespected, since he incurs a clock advantage to the extent the opponent is late.

    FIDE has at least had the good sense to allow organizers to NOT USE zero tolerance if they so choose. The extent to which this zero tolerance rule is seen as in need of reform in Canada is shown by the fact that since FIDE adopted the rule, not one single organizer in Canada has ever imposed it as a tournament condition. Canada is in total, open revolt.

    A Few Questions

    1. What is the practice in your country?

    2. If FIDE was to get rid of this rule, what would be the minimum time period that should be allowed before a player forfeits a game for being late? Or is the one hour limit a standard that should be adopted for the whole world?

    3. A final question ordinary chess players ask is: “Why has the Association of Chess Professionals, which represents elite players, NOT been waging war against this draconian rule?”

    4.Should CCC explore this further for possible reform action at the FIDE level, since no one else is?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,560

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    4.Should CCC explore this further for possible reform action at the FIDE level, since no one else is?
    Sure, go get them Bob. This zero tolerance policy is a bad idea. While you're at it, see what you can do about the FIDE list of approved time controls. That's a bad idea as well.

  3. #3

    Default Two FIDE Short-comings??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Sure, go get them Bob. This zero tolerance policy is a bad idea. While you're at it, see what you can do about the FIDE list of approved time controls. That's a bad idea as well.
    Hi Bob G:

    A lone voice from the wilderness dares pick up the whispering that FIDE is not perfect!

    1. Zero Tolerance Rule - CCC would like to get more than one voice of support. The unwashed masses are remaining impenetrably silent.

    2. FIDE-approved Time Controls - Could CCC talk you into whipping off a short article on why the list is a bad idea, and what time controls you think ought to be accepted (if any)? CCC would host your article on our "7th Day Chess Reform" Series! Then, depending on response, CCC might look into it further to see if it would be adopted as CCC policy.

    Bob A, CCC Coordinator

  4. #4

    Default

    This list no longer exist. it has been replaced by minimal requirements. For norm tournaments


    No more than 2 rounds shall be played on any one day. Without increment the minimum time is 2 hours for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game. With an increment of a minimum of 30 seconds for each move, the minimum time is 90 minutes for the entire game, apart from the increment.


    Mixed mode tournaments are no longer valid for norms.

    In any title tournament the time controls and clock settings for all players must be the same (e.g. if the time control is increment based, all players must use increment; if delay based, all players must use delay; if no increment or delay is specified, then all players must compete with no increment and no delay). There can be no mixed use of clock settings (increment, delay, none at all).


    For FIDE rating only when norms are not possibles

    For a game to be rated, each player must have the following minimum periods in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves.

    Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 2200 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 120 minutes.

    Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 1600 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 90 minutes.

    Where all the players in the tournament are rated below 1600, each player must have a minimum of 60 minutes.


    1.2


    Games played with all the moves at a rate faster than the above are excluded from the list.


    1.3


    Where a certain number of moves is specified in the first time control, it shall be 40 moves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Sure, go get them Bob. This zero tolerance policy is a bad idea. While you're at it, see what you can do about the FIDE list of approved time controls. That's a bad idea as well.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    1,560

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre Dénommée View Post
    This list no longer exist. it has been replaced by minimal requirements.
    oh, thanks Pierre. When did that happen?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    591

    Default Not so bad

    Thanks Pierre for chiming in. The time controls were simplified as of July 1 of this year. Official FIDE events such as the Olympiad or WCC cycle are still more strict. From the FIDE Handbook:

    There is a single time control for all major FIDE events: 90 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game with an addition of 30 seconds per move starting from move one.

    The list of FIDE events where this single time control will be used:

    Chess Olympiads
    World Team Championships
    Continental Team Championships
    World Cup
    Continental Championships
    Zonal Tournaments
    World Youth & Junior Championships
    Continental Youth & Junior Championships
    World School Championships
    Continental Club Championships

    As for zero tolerance, it is not so bad in my opinion - mainly because it is not a mandatory condition for all events. Generally though, I believe it is disrespectful to keep your opponent waiting at the start of a round. Some people abuse the one hour limit which is still quite common in Canada (I use it myself for weekenders!) and it detracts from the experience. I recall Nigel Short waiting for his opponent in an Rapid playoff at the 2007 World Cup for about 20 of the 25 minutes. He lost the playoff - I can't recall if he over pressed and lost that game or only drew and lost the second game. But afterward he and wondered aloud if something like zero tolerance should be imposed. At the top level events I think it is appropriate.

    FIDE perfect? Wow. It would be a lonely voice that made such a claim. I have met no one in FIDE who believes that!

  7. #7

    Default

    July 1st 2013.

    The changes are welcomed even if, as Hal pointed it out, most tournaments organized by FIDE still use a rigid time control. In Canada, the Zonal is the only tournament concerned by this mandatory time control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    oh, thanks Pierre. When did that happen?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Maple Bay, B.C.
    Posts
    61
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default Silvio Danailov on why Zero Tolerance is a good thing

    Silvio Danailov has some comments about Zero Tolerance. He compares chess to other sports, and, well, players from other sports arrive hours in advance of the event. Why this contempt for sports professionalism? (is basically what Danailov is saying) If people arrive late for work and make a habit of it ... they are fired. Certainly at the highest level this is a job and should be treated respectfully.

    Anyway, his comments are here ... Silvio Danailov interview

    Here is the relevant quote if you're too lazy to check the website ...

    M.BOYARD: What about the Zero tolerance rule, the problem which arouse among many players, many seemed not to be happy with it since they say they’re not staying in the main hotels, where the tournaments may be taking place. Any changes to this idea?

    S.DANAILOV: First of all, people are confusing it, because this is a FIDE decision and we are just obliged to adopt it because… especially, this tournament which is the part of the championship cycle. I can tell you that, although I may criticize a lot of FIDE decisions, I like this one. That’s because you know, it’s your profession, I mean when you are working in some office, you have to be there on time. You can’t be late, because otherwise, you will be fired. You have to respect the organizers, you have to respect the player, the media. For instance, the media is covering the European championship, so they want to see what’s going on, to film the beginning of the round and let’s say no one is there. I think that’s not serious. The players have to understand that this is a serious job, a serious profession and that’s absolutely normal. Whatever sport, let’s say football: did you see anyone complaining? That’s incredible, unbelievable. Did you see that in basketball, volleyball whatever sport? People are there one and a half hour in advance! Usually everybody, so come on, I mean this discussion should be closed. It’s not a big problem if you live in an other hotel. Legnica is a small city, so it’s not a problem to come five minutes before the round… So, let’s stop this and the players have to understand, they should have a conscious that this is a necessary measure, this makes chess a serious sport.
    Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; 07-14-2013 at 01:34 PM. Reason: add the quote from chess-news.ru

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •