19. Suggested Items for the April Meeting

[Lyle Craver]

I agree with Chris but win lose and draw are not the only outcomes of a game.

We have 1-bye, 1/2-bye, 0-bye, 1-forfeit and 0-forfeit. Any others I've forgotten? Each have different meanings with respect to ratings and tiebreaks.

My bottom line is that as long the software can support it - that we don't have to designate some poor 'volunteer' to change the more obscure results in cross-tables - I'm all for it.

I have always been strongly in favor of French-language services in the CFC as I am well aware that the CFC's name includes the words "OF CANADA" even if I may have from time to time rolled my eyes at some of the things I've seen coming from the FQE and AEM.

We don't have the resources to do everything the FQE would like (and much of what they like is inimical to the CFC) but what we can do we should and this is one of them.

[Valer Eugen Demian]

How about bringing forward a volunteer any time a change like this is required? With all due respect the World we live in has become much smaller for this petty continuous cry for bilingual services without any alternative provided in the same time.

There are thousands of languages in the World and possibly hundreds spoken in this bilingual country of ours. If I would want anything also translated in Romanian, I would offer my services to perform that translation. Of course I do understand French is an official language (I do know it BTW...), but the logic behind my point stands!

[Pierre Dénommée]

I agree with Chris but win lose and draw are not the only outcomes of a game.

We have 1-bye, 1/2-bye, 0-bye, 1-forfeit and 0-forfeit. Any others I've forgotten?

You forgot 1/2-0 and 0-1/2 (cell phone ring or third illegal move but the opponent cannot deliver mate with a series of legal moves).

1-1/2 and 1/2-1 are theoretically possibles. Even 1-1 is not forbidden but that would bring the game of Chess into disrepute and the players in other games would likely appeal. Also, this would produce rating inflation.

13.4


The arbiter can apply one or more of the following penalties:

warning
increasing the remaining time of the opponent
reducing the remaining time of the offending player
declaring the game to be lost
reducing the points scored in the game by the offending party
increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game
expulsion from the event.

[Christopher Field]

You forgot 1/2-0 and 0-1/2 (cell phone ring or third illegal move but the opponent cannot deliver mate with a series of legal moves.

1-1/2 and 1/2-1 are theoretically possibles. Even 1-1 is not forbidden but that would bring the game of Chess into disrepute and the players in other games would likely appeal. Also, this would produce rating inflation.

13.4


The arbiter can apply one or more of the following penalties:

warning
increasing the remaining time of the opponent
reducing the remaining time of the offending player
declaring the game to be lost
reducing the points scored in the game by the offending party
increasing the points scored in the game by the opponent to the maximum available for that game
expulsion from the event.

I am only talking about the symbols which are readily available in Swiss Sys.
Yes, for other situations than over-the-board results, the symbols remain as they are:
H = half-point bye ; B = full-point bye ; U = unpaired (withdrawn).

I have searched recent tournaments, and I cannot find other situations, but I am sure there are symbols for:
forfeit win ; forfeit loss ; whatever else.

Yes, some of these symbols will be based on English words.
But these other results are relatively infrequent.

At least by using + , - , and = for over-the-board results, we can reduce the use of symbols based on English words for most of the crosstables.

Chris Field.

[Pierre Dénommée]

I have seen the crosstables on the CFC website and I understand the problem.

I am only talking about the symbols which are readily available in Swiss Sys.
Yes, for other situations than over-the-board results, the symbols remain as they are:
H = half-point bye ; B = full-point bye ; U = unpaired (withdrawn).

I have searched recent tournaments, and I cannot find other situations, but I am sure there are symbols for:
forfeit win ; forfeit loss ; whatever else.

Yes, some of these symbols will be based on English words.
But these other results are relatively infrequent.

At least by using + , - , and = for over-the-board results, we can reduce the use of symbols based on English words for most of the crosstables.

Chris Field.

[Lyle Craver]

At one time the Office required crosstables to be in the + - = format for submission and I spent a lot of time translating my crosstables for submission!

I assure you it was no fun at all and I was using MS Word + E-mail for my submissions so there was nothing automatic about it.

I think this is a move we should be proceeding with and if we require a dozen or so exception codes for the obscure off the wall stuff then this is something that should not unduly burden the Office.

Do we have a consensus that the REALLY obscure stuff wouldn't happen more than once every 25 tournaments or so? (i.e. anything other than +, -, =, the various results involving byes and the 1-0 or 0-1 forfeit)

Do we REALLY need a special result for 'game adjourned due to PCB's from blown ballasts dripping on the table'? (I actually had that in a Manitoba Open I directed some 25 years ago) I think not!

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

crosstables

Some time ago crosstables had towns/cities where the events took place. Now it is only province. Can it be corrected to show a more exact place?

[Fred McKim]

I agree with Chris but win lose and draw are not the only outcomes of a game.

We have 1-bye, 1/2-bye, 0-bye, 1-forfeit and 0-forfeit. Any others I've forgotten? Each have different meanings with respect to ratings and tiebreaks.

My bottom line is that as long the software can support it - that we don't have to designate some poor 'volunteer' to change the more obscure results in cross-tables - I'm all for it.

I have always been strongly in favor of French-language services in the CFC as I am well aware that the CFC's name includes the words "OF CANADA" even if I may have from time to time rolled my eyes at some of the things I've seen coming from the FQE and AEM.

We don't have the resources to do everything the FQE would like (and much of what they like is inimical to the CFC) but what we can do we should and this is one of them.

Any such changes will require changes to the rating program, so any such approved motion would be subject to available funding to support it.

[Christopher Field]

Any such changes will require changes to the rating program, so any such approved motion would be subject to available funding to support it.

Fred, are you saying that the rating programme reads the results W, L, or D, as well as the symbols for other results?
It should be a relatively simple fix.
Again, we're not asking to change other symbols - only the 3 symbols for over-the-board played games.
Lyle notes that the symbols + , - , = were in fact originally used.
They are available in Swiss Sys. The only other change required is to modify the forms which TDs submit. Thad Suits may have to do this. Again, it should be a very simple fix.

Chris Field.