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Thread: Motion 2011-03 (Amended) (Elimination of Life Governors)

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    Default Motion 2011-03 (Amended) (Elimination of Life Governors)

    Since the Amendment to motion 2011-03 has been passed the motion becomes (changed text in Italics)

    AMENDED Motion :Moved: Governor Patrick McDonald; Seconded: Governor Paul Leblanc
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    Governors-at-Large – Past CFC Presidents: Section 6 of By-law # 2 is amended by deleting

    “ the past Presidents of the Federation who have served as President for at least two full terms. A term is that period between one annual meeting and the next. The past presidents of the federation who have served as President for at least 2 terms and continue to demonstrate that they are active governors by attending at any one annual meeting over a 2 year period or commenting or voting on not less than 3 governors motions in any two year period or attending at least 2 on line governors meetings over a two year period. A term is that period between one annual meeting and the next”

    and replacing

    “ the past Presidents who have been granted the life title of Governor at Large as at September 1994. “

    There shall be added after the words “ five years “ in the remaining section, the sentence “ A term is that period between one annual meeting and the next.”

    Please vote YES, NO or ABSTAIN - voting on this motion ends 2300 (11 pm) EDT, Tuesday October 12th

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    I vote yes, only because it's better than what we already have.

    Baby steps, right?

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    Sorry folks - this thread is for voting ONLY.

    Discussions on the merits or otherwise of this proposal belong in the discussion thread.

    If you have a procedural question relating to the motion by all means ask it here but please no advocacy messages.

    For the record I will be voting NO as I feel it removes a precious resource and is by no means as evil as Bob A has suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle Craver
    Discussions on the merits or otherwise of this proposal belong in the discussion thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle Craver
    For the record I will be voting NO as I feel it removes a precious resource and is by no means as evil as Bob A has suggested.
    Just to be clear, will those life governors that have not demonstrated activity over the past two years be immediately removed if this motion passes?

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    Hi Michael:

    Good question - in all the discussion since Les first made his motion comment in 2009-10 GL # 2, I don't think that has been discussed - if it has, please enlighten us as to the conversation.

    I have my own opinion ( and I'm sure Les has one as well ):

    1. Formal Wording - I don't see anything in the wording that says that it does not immediately apply - that is, the life governors who have not complied over the past 2 years are terminated.

    2. Procedural Fairness - However, besides the wording itself, there is a procedural fairness issue - the life governors did not know 2 years ago that they would have to meet some unknown activity criteria in the following 2 years, to remain a life governor; they were guaranteed life governor status, even if they had retired from active CFC chess politics. So I think the amendment can only look forward. The life governors are now on notice exactly what activity is required over the next 2 years to keep their life governor status.

    Perhaps the Chair and/or Secretary need to wade into this question as well.

    Bob

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    Default Voting on Motion 2011-03 is now CLOSED

    Folks, voting on motion 2011-03 (Elimination of Life Governors) is now CLOSED.

    The vote was 19 yes, 1 no with no abstentions. Since this is a Constituional Amendment, it requires 50% of Governors to take part in the vote to pass which did not happen and thus the motion FAILS.

    (The rules governing a Constitutional Amendment are in the Handbook at http://www.chess.ca/section_2.shtml and the specific rules governing Online meetings are found in the records of the AGM on pages 49-50 http://www.chess.ca/Gls/10-11GL1.pdf

    Beyond this there are additional problems - the April Online Meeting was said to have revealed all problems but this is not so and here's why:

    CFC Governor votes have always been secret ballots before the deadline with who voted how being revealed after the votes were tallied and released. The vBulletin Forum software on the other hand has 2 types of votes: 'secret' and 'open' - an 'open' vote is one where viewers can see who voted how DURING the voting period which is not the CFC way. So when I put the question on 2011-03, I chose the 'secret' option expecting to be able to flip the flag back to open after the polls were closed.

    I have e-mailed Chris Mallon the Forum moderator as when I closed the vote I found I was unable to switch the vote from secret to open which would mirror how the CFC does things.

    It is my hope that the new version of the software would accomodate the CFC's Governor voting procedures since it would be completely out of order for the CFC to change our procedures for the sake of the software. Any Executive that approved such a thing should be opposed by all Governors.

    I'm hoping Chris has the access to flip the vote (after it's closed) from secret to open since otherwise while I know who the no vote is (he told me) I don't know who the yesses were.

    This is a fairly major matter - in fact it's what when I was in the software business was called a 'showstopper bug' and thus I cannot share the view of my predecessor as Posting Secretary that vBulletin is ready to be used to conduct a CFC vote and will be advising the Executive accordingly.

    Bob raises the question of procedural fairness - I'd argue that the easiest way to deal with this issue in future constitutional motions would be to strongly suggest (since I don't have the authority to require) an effective date on all such motions - if one is not specified in the motion, the motion is of immediate effect which may not be either fair or good policy.

    Finally, I have heard from a couple of former presidents affected by this motion one of whom tried yesterday to get access but wasn't able to get in in time. So we have work to do in seeing that everyone gets access before the next meeting.

    All of this I have referred to the President and I would invite feedback from Governors.
    Last edited by Lyle Craver; 10-13-2010 at 12:16 AM.

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    Not voting is a time honoured method of killing motions that require quorum. That said i don't think any Governors would do such a thing.

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    It would appear that many of the Governors had "left" the meeting by the time the vote for the amended motion came up. Considering the overwhelming support, I would have to think it would be allowed to be re-introduced at a later date.

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    It seems clear this issue will not be going away, and, I feel, these continual procedural blockages are only delaying the inevitable. I also feel that the President should be stepping forward to rule whether motions do or do not satisfy the requirements of our by-laws. Deferring to the judgment of our "Constitutional experts" is fine, but the final word should ultimately rest with him.

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    Changing the by-laws at an AGM with 30 days notice of motion require a 2/3 vote.

    Changing the by-laws any other time require a 2/3 vote and 50% of the total number of governors voting.

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