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Lyle Craver
12-14-2018, 12:39 AM
This thread is for discussion items on FIDE and the CFC

Pierre Dénommée
12-17-2018, 11:27 PM
FIDE will soon offer to take charge of the training of National arbiters to national Federations who are not interested in giving them proper instruction. All National arbiter will soon need to pass a FIDE examination in order to obtain their licence.

Is the CFC planning to give this instruction or will it let FIDE do it ? The FQE has hisw own arbiter certification program that has a proven track record, having produced multiples NTD/FA/AI and I believe that the program should be allowed to continue.

Vladimir Drkulec
12-18-2018, 11:05 PM
I don't think we have thought about this. Are those who already National Arbiters grandfathered or will there be requirements to update their credentials?

Vladimir Drkulec
12-18-2018, 11:08 PM
FIDE has so far shown some flexibility in reducing fees to Federations and also individuals. We were able to change the federation of two former U.S. players without incurring any fees.

Egidijus Zeromskis
12-18-2018, 11:11 PM
I don't think we have thought about this. Are those who already National Arbiters grandfathered or will there be requirements to update their credentials?

I think that period has expired already. The FIDE licensing is going for several years already. For NA, the main requirement is to participate in a FIDE arbiter seminar and pass the exam. The NA license is mandatory for the FIDE rated tournaments.

Aris Marghetis
12-18-2018, 11:15 PM
I don't think we have thought about this. Are those who already National Arbiters grandfathered or will there be requirements to update their credentials?

I was actually the author of the proposal, while Secretary of the FIDE Arbiters' Commission. I don't know whether the proposal will now maintain any traction. In any case, one of the pillars of the pseudo-agreement I reached with the Arbiter organizations of the BIG CHESS COUNTRIES, was that they would keep running their own NA (Arbiter of National Level) programs. The FUNDAMENTAL INTENT of that part of the proposal was to offer assistance to the very small developing chess countries.

Anyway, I can go through it in more detail with you when I drop by in mid-January. Just remind me, it's on my laptop, covered in my blood, sweat, and tears, lol

Vladimir Drkulec
12-18-2018, 11:16 PM
We are going to have two new strong women players including a women's grandmaster, Anna Burtasova, and a WFM, Oksana Golubeva, who are living in Toronto. The Russian Chess Federation has kindly waived transfer fees so they should be ready to play in the next Canadian Closed and possibly on future Olympiad teams including 2020.

In the case of Anna, Hal Bond and I met with her at the Azerbaijan Olympiad. She asked me to write a letter supporting her application to immigrate to Canada, which I did, and she was successful. She has a history of teaching children chess and has worked as a chess video news journalist and should become an active member of the chess community in Canada.

Aris Marghetis
12-18-2018, 11:17 PM
I think that period has expired already. The FIDE licensing is going for several years already. For NA, the main requirement is to participate in a FIDE arbiter seminar and pass the exam. The NA license is mandatory for the FIDE rated tournaments.

That is inaccurate. Countries determine their own NAs (Arbiters of National Level). The FIDE Arbiter Seminar is part of the FIDE Arbiter certification program.

Egidijus Zeromskis
12-18-2018, 11:25 PM
That is inaccurate. Countries determine their own NAs (Arbiters of National Level). The FIDE Arbiter Seminar is part of the FIDE Arbiter certification program.

Aris, that was more or less comment to this sentence ""All National arbiter will soon need to pass a FIDE examination in order to obtain their licence.", and Vlad's question "Are those who already National Arbiters grandfathered or will there be requirements to update their credentials?"

Though, I understand your point too.

Aris Marghetis
12-18-2018, 11:51 PM
Aris, that was more or less comment to this sentence ""All National arbiter will soon need to pass a FIDE examination in order to obtain their licence.", and Vlad's question "Are those who already National Arbiters grandfathered or will there be requirements to update their credentials?"

Though, I understand your point too.

I hear ya. In my humble opinion, that sentence implies the wrong focus. Little developing chess countries do NEED a little validation test for their NAs (that is a PROPOSAL still). The current vision for that is such that a "real" practicing arbiter (i.e. a Canadian NA) would have absolutely no problem passing a few questions.

I don't know that this forum can do justice to a discussion about the proposal. BELIEVE ME, it was tough enough IN PERSON in Batumi to get it to where it was published lol. I can present it to Vlad soon, and if you really want, find some way to go over it with you. Although, I don't know what will be enforced yet, if anything.

Lyle Craver
12-19-2018, 11:57 AM
I would be interested in seeing this document as well though as a (semi-retired) IA it's not an exam I expect to be doing personally.

It's several years since I've directed though that has more to do with my work schedule than anything else but do try to keep up to date.

Pierre Dénommée
12-19-2018, 09:32 PM
I don't know that this forum can do justice to a discussion about the proposal. BELIEVE ME, it was tough enough IN PERSON in Batumi to get it to where it was published lol.

Is the FIDE democratic process so hard ? I know that motions are sometime carried unanimously by the Councillors while everybody in attendance is against, but the process shoudn't be that complicated.

Hal Bond
12-20-2018, 09:25 AM
Pierre - the battles almost invariably happen at the Commission level and then the General Assembly accepts the report. The other complication which Aris alluded to is the fact that the new Commission chairs and members have not been named. We don't know what the new administration has in mind. From their new budget we can see that they are not afraid of bold moves.

Pierre Dénommée
12-20-2018, 01:58 PM
The FIDE President named some Commission chair at the last Presidential Board meeting but he did not name the chairmen of ARB. The incumbent has been named honorary chairmen which is a sign that he will be replaced because all the other honorary chairmen have been replaced.

If the FIDE President meets his sponsorship goal, he will likely become the greatest President FIDE ever had.

Vladimir Drkulec
12-20-2018, 02:24 PM
He will meet his sponsorship goal.