7b. MOTION: 2013 WYCC (Bunning/Ritchie) - commentary only

[Michael von Keitz]

that in view of the shorter time period between the 2013 CYCC and the WYCC. and in view of the difficulty in booking airline flights and obtaining visas on such short notice the CFC executive may authorise the higher rated players in each competition category to attend the WYCC as Canadian representatives at their own expense provided that these players subsequently participate in the 2013 CYCC in Ottawa.

[Bob Gillanders]

There is a posting on chesstalk suggesting the dates for the WYCC may have been changed. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

[Lyle Craver]

I don't like this motion because it is too vague - 'the higher rated players' - what does that mean? More to the point who gets to decide what that means. Without clarification I can't support this.

[Les Bunning]

It may well be that this motion is unecessary because it now seems likely that the WYCC will be moved to December. I have no objection to this motion being put over to the April on line governors meeting as it can be withdrawn if there is confirmation that the WYCC is moved to December. To answer Lyles concern, it was designed to give discretion to the executive . A more comprehensive definition of 'the higher rated players' would be difficult given the young ages and rapid improvement of some of the younger players.
Les Bunning

[Vladimir Drkulec]

There is a posting on chesstalk suggesting the dates for the WYCC may have been changed. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2012/FIDE/2013-2014_FIDE_Calendar.pdf

If you look at the revised Calendar update in and among the entries for August 2013 it shows the WYCC as scheduled for December 17th to 29th, 2013.

The regular FIDE calendar has removed the WYCC entry.

http://www.fide.com/index.php?option=com_fidecalendar&view=fidecalendar&ny=2013

[Michael Barron]

There is more important question related to 2013 CYCC:
the number of rounds.

There is a long discussion on ChessTalk, where a vast majority of potential players and their parents favor 7th round on Saturday morning:
http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/showthread.php?p=61210#poststop

The question for the 2013 CYCC organizers:
Is it possible to have 7th round on Saturday morning?

[Aris Marghetis]

What do people think of FUTURE bids (2014 onward) requiring the decoupling of the CYCC and CO? That might hurt the CO, but it would probably help the CYCC?

[Vladimir Drkulec]

What do people think of FUTURE bids (2014 onward) requiring the decoupling of the CYCC and CO? That might hurt the CO, but it would probably help the CYCC?

The two are not really coupled. I think the merits of each bid should take precedence over any such blanket policy and I think in general that they have. Usually there is one and occasionally two bidders for each event. I would rather see a coupled bid that reduces costs for both tournaments than no bid for one or the other tournament.

[Michael Barron]

Yes, these 2 events are not really coupled.
Last 5 years they were organized by different groups in different places.
In fact, the last time they were coupled was in Ottawa 2007...

One more point for consideration for future CYCC bids - is more convenient calendar.
FIDE is moving WYCC to August - September.
Year after year CYCC in July conflicts with PanAm YCC scheduled for the same month.
Many national federations organize their national YCCs in March - April.

Would it be beneficial for Canadian youth chess to follow the suit?

[Les Bunning]

There were a handful of postings on chesstalk which supported a seven round event. I suspect that these were not from a representative group because there were many other postings which did not advocate any particular number of rounds. Our committee includes a parents representative who is in contact with a group of interested parents. 6 rounds is easily enough to determine a winner and there will be a playoff round on saturday morning if this proves to be necessary. Instead of a seventh round we will be holding a fun event for all of the CYCC participants. We expect this to be of interest to all of the participants rather than the few who would be interested in a seventh round. Nevertheless we will canvass the players and parents at this years event so there preferences can be cosidered in the future. I have 4 children and it was often difficult to find time for all of there activities.

[Vladimir Drkulec]

One more point for consideration for future CYCC bids - is more convenient calendar.
FIDE is moving WYCC to August - September.
Year after year CYCC in July conflicts with PanAm YCC scheduled for the same month.
Many national federations organize their national YCCs in March - April.

Would it be beneficial for Canadian youth chess to follow the suit?

In 2014, the WYCC is September 18 to 30th in Durban, South Africa. I am not sure that we need to change the traditional early July CYCC date based on that though there is nothing preventing an organizer from basing their bid on any dates that they wish. The problem with FIDE is it seems to change things based upon a whim regardless of how it mucks everything else up. September 18th to 30th makes little sense for North American kids.

The Europeans have their YCC at the end of September and beginning of October this year and at the end of August and beginning of September for next year. The EU have their YCC at the end of August and beginning of September this year and the end of August next year. It would seem to allow insufficient time to send teams to South Africa. Also the World Junior and World Youth Chess Championships overlap in 2014. I guess the younger participants have to choose one or the other.

[Patrick McDonald]

Has this motion been ruled Out of Order or are we actually going to vote on this?

If this is being voted on, the very real problem with this is that, especially for kids, the ratings are not homogeneous across the country.

Patrick

[Michael von Keitz]

Has this motion been ruled Out of Order or are we actually going to vote on this?

If this is being voted on, the very real problem with this is that, especially for kids, the ratings are not homogeneous across the country.

Patrick

If the mover and seconder are willing to table their motion, I might suggest we call an "emergency" meeting once the dates become clear. This being if they remain unchanged from the original schedule. If they are moved to December, as seems to be forecasted, we can wait until April to reopen the issue.

[Michael Barron]

Our committee includes a parents representative who is in contact with a group of interested parents...

Thank you, Les, for your response!
Could we know the name of the parents representative?

[Michael Barron]

The problem with FIDE is it seems to change things based upon a whim regardless of how it mucks everything else up...

Vlad,
FIDE creates calendar based on opinions of National federations expressed at FIDE Congress.
Maybe Hal could shed some light on the process.

The updated FIDE calendar that you mentioned
http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2012/FIDE/2013-2014_FIDE_Calendar.pdf
contains recommended month for every major FIDE event going forward.

In particular interest for us:
May - North American Youth Championships
June - PANAM Junior U20 C'ships
July - PANAM Youth Festival & Blitz
August - World Youth Championships
September - World Junior U20 Championships
October - American Continental Championship, PANAM Schools Festival
November - PANAM Women's Championship
December - Pan American Team Championship, PANAM Universities

2013 and 2014 - are transitional years, and FIDE allows many deviations from these recommendations.
From 2015 going forward expect to follow this schedule more closely.

[Bob Armstrong]

It may well be that this motion is unecessary because it now seems likely that the WYCC will be moved to December. I have no objection to this motion being put over to the April on line governors meeting as it can be withdrawn if there is confirmation that the WYCC is moved to December. ....Les Bunning

I second Les' suggestion that the motion be adjourned over to the 2013 Spring ( April ) Governors' Meeting. It seems there is sufficient evidence now that the WYCC is moved to December, and that this motion is unnecessary. The Spring Meeting can then be canvassed as to whether it gives permission for the motion to be withdrawn and taken off the agenda.

Bob A

[Michael von Keitz]

I second Les' suggestion that the motion be adjourned over to the 2013 Spring ( April ) Governors' Meeting. It seems there is sufficient evidence now that the WYCC is moved to December, and that this motion is unnecessary. The Spring Meeting can then be canvassed as to whether it gives permission for the motion to be withdrawn and taken off the agenda.

Bob A

This motion has been tabled.

[Bob Armstrong]

I have just been talking with a CYCC parent ( Victoria Jung-Doknjas ) on Facebook. She has been to our meeting and for the first time seen the information about the change of the 2013 WYCC to the 2013 Christmas holidays ( including playing on Christmas? ).

She has severe concerns about this from a family dynamics point of view, and the place of Christmas in the lives of those who celebrate it. She sees the possibility of families who want to have their child play, perhaps being divided over Christmas, some home, some away.

She asked that the Governors' consider this problem, and asked if the CFC FIDE Rep., Hal Bond, might be authorized to raise this as a Canadian concern with FIDE ASAP. Though the FIDE Calendar seems to have been revised, there does not yet appear to be any formal FIDE announcement on this. Might there be time to cause a FIDE reconsideration of this?

Bob A

[Valer Eugen Demian]

If we want to enter into the calendar equation holidays like Christmas from around the World, we could end up way short of periods of time when WYCC could take place and accommodate everyone... I know Victoria personally and I think her point this time is a bit far fetched. We cannot have the cake and eat it too...

[Lyle Craver]

Voting has now begun on this motion and continues through 6 pm on the 7th.

Further discussion is welcome here - please - no comments except as a technical nature to the running of the poll in the "Voting Booth" thread. Both motions 7A and this one are now posted as "Stickies" and should appear on your screens at the top of the thread list. Thanks!

[Michael von Keitz]

Voting has now begun on this motion and continues through 6 pm on the 7th.

Further discussion is welcome here - please - no comments except as a technical nature to the running of the poll in the "Voting Booth" thread. Both motions 7A and this one are now posted as "Stickies" and should appear on your screens at the top of the thread list. Thanks!

This motion was officially tabled and the voting thread has been closed. Sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused.