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Bob Gillanders
10-21-2010, 11:57 AM
The CFC has now received two bids for our 2011 championship tournaments. They are:

1. Richmond Hill - CYCC 2011 - July 6-9, 2011
Chief Organizer: Anna Jin, CFC Women's Coordinator

2. Toronto - Canadian Open 2011 - July 9-17, 2011
- CYCC 2011 - July 9-15, 2011
Chief Organizer: Ted Winick, President, Chess Institute of Canada

Note: The Toronto bid is contingent on both bids being accepted.

The vetting process will now begin on these 2 bids. We are accepting new bids but with the following deadlines.

"Notice of intent" to bid - 2 weeks (Nov 4th)
Completed bid - Nov 19th

These deadline apply to Canadian Open and CYCC. All other events, ASAP please.:)

Ken Craft
10-21-2010, 12:52 PM
Are the dates on the Toronto bid correct as listed?

Christopher Mallon
10-21-2010, 01:18 PM
I believe so, they were planning something where the CYCC would be in the morning and the CO in the evening, or something like that, AFAIK.

Ken Craft
10-21-2010, 01:29 PM
I thought that might be the case.

Fred McKim
10-21-2010, 02:00 PM
Yes, without giving out the complete details of the bid, the CIC bid has the CYCC running Sat-Fri, earlier in the day from the CO.

Kerry Liles
10-21-2010, 02:11 PM
Yes, without giving out the complete details of the bid, the CIC bid has the CYCC running Sat-Fri, earlier in the day from the CO.

I presume the reason Ken asked about the apparent date conflict was concern that overlap would likely mean players in the CYCC might not be able to play in the Open. If the CYCC is earlier in the day, I suppose it is *possible* for a CYCC player to also play in the OPEN, but I presume it would be a rather taxing schedule?

Fred McKim
10-21-2010, 02:27 PM
Someone could do the analysis, but I suspect right now less than 25% of the CYCC players participate in the CO, as they are held consecutively and not concurrently.

At their age, 2 games per day isn't probably too much of a concern....

Ken Craft
10-21-2010, 02:38 PM
I presume the Governors will soon be seeing the bids.

Fred McKim
10-21-2010, 02:56 PM
I think the idea is that potential bidders should not have the knowledge of those who bid before them.

Even giving the dates of the CIC bid reveals information that could give other potential bidders an upper hand.

I would assume the Governors will see the bids we have on one of the two key dates.

Gary Gladstone
10-21-2010, 04:52 PM
Someone could do the analysis, but I suspect right now less than 25% of the CYCC players participate in the CO, as they are held consecutively and not concurrently.

At their age, 2 games per day isn't probably too much of a concern....

I think it is great that there are 2 bids and I wish the Governors/Executive best of luck in choosing.

When the decision is being made, please take into account the number of youth players who have played in both tournaments - when consecutive, will, most likely not be able to - when concurrent. Although the timing would allow it, the preparation and stress of 3 games per day would probably preclude most youth.

If possible, we should not make any player CHOOSE, we should plan so they can have the best options

Gary

Larry Bevand
10-21-2010, 06:13 PM
I think it is great that there are 2 bids and I wish the Governors/Executive best of luck in choosing.

When the decision is being made, please take into account the number of youth players who have played in both tournaments - when consecutive, will, most likely not be able to - when concurrent. Although the timing would allow it, the preparation and stress of 3 games per day would probably preclude most youth.

If possible, we should not make any player CHOOSE, we should plan so they can have the best options

Gary

Hi Gary,

You missed the point of the Toronto bid....they are talking July 9 - 15 for the CYCC...so probably 1 game a day...the idea being, you get most of the CYCC players also taking part in the Canadian Open (hopefully).

Larry

Victoria Doknjas
10-22-2010, 12:10 AM
The Toronto bid is an interesting one. CYCC participants are already used to playing 2 games a day; now they will have an opportunity to continue the tradition of playing 2 games a day, but now it will be 1 CYCC game in the morning (presumably) and then 1 CO game in the evening. This may increase the number of participants in the CO; and for those who have participated in both the CYCC and CO in the past, this shortens the time that they/families need to take off work.

Gary Gladstone
10-22-2010, 07:14 AM
Thanks for the clarification.
I am not sure how many of the youth would want to play in two simultaneous tournaments, although it would make it easier for the parents.
Did the bid group survey those youth who played in both the CYCC and the CO this year to see what their thoughts would be?

if it would help the deciding body, perhaps a poll could be started online, but then there could be the risk of no canadian open

Gary